#indieweb 2020-09-15

2020-09-15 UTC
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[manton] [tantek] Yeah, probably so. I’ve tried to focus on Facebook + Instagram because I feel like I’m always hearing people complain about how bad Facebook is while still using Instagram all the time, as if it’s a separate company. But YouTube has many of the same problems.
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[tantek] TBH IG is going to be hard for me, I get a lot of positive interactions there with keeping up with people that I don't see on Twitter or IndieWeb. I also see a much warmer, kinder, and more vulnerable side of folks on IG too. It's so different from Twitter. I did take a break from posting there, about 3 months now.
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[tantek] YouTube recommends conspiracy or otherwise nuts videos, has adds for conspiracy media like Epoch Times and is just overall awful in all its "social network ways". I want a YouTube noSocial add-on that just strips all that other crap out, and just works for watching the video you navigated to. Maybe that's a redirect to the embed URL instead of the main permlainks.
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[jgmac1106] Your IG experience is more similar to my Twitter... But I hang with teachers so kinder place than rest of Twitter
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[jgmac1106] But I also think Twitter is fighting disinformation somewhat better by banning political spending and more actively labeling disinformation... Not great but ain't hard to look better than dumpster fire
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[jgmac1106] Tantek I never thought about YouTube good point... I share a lot of music there bc I am too afraid to share links to my servers and get in trouble
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[jgmac1106] The YouTube iframe on your personal website will not send recommendations if you choose option wonder if it is different if you just link to the share URL
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aaronpk youtube's recommendations also get a lot better the more you watch there, i haven't seen any conspiracy videos recommended unless i'm watching in an incognito window
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aaronpk so that definitely points to a problem with their platform as a whole, but in terms of your personal experience it can be pretty much invisible
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[tantek] not worth the time investment :P
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aaronpk also marking videos "not interested" does wonders
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[tantek] Well well well, here we go, more fuel for Blocktober for FB: https://twitter.com/bcrypt/status/1305613883902578689
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@bcrypt my friend sophie got fired from her job at Facebook and turned down a $64,000 severance package in order to leak this, so u better read it. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/facebook-ignore-political-manipulation-whitstleblower-memo (twitter.com/_/status/1305613883902578689)
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[tantek] FWIW I know bcrypt personally and trust her.
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[tw2113] oh boy
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[tantek] This is also a good 6 minute critique of FB / Zuckerberg: https://twitter.com/vincentdonofrio/status/1305561655481434112
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@vincentdonofrio This, I'm all about this. Thank you, @SachaBaronCohen Perfection. https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1198001458773450752 (twitter.com/_/status/1305561655481434112)
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[tantek] Facebook << Criticism: 2019-11 six minute summary speech (video) by Sacha Baron Cohen criticizing Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1198001458773450752
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@nowthisnews ‘If Facebook were around in the 1930s, it would have allowed Hitler to post 30-second ads’ — Listen to Sacha Baron Cohen slam the social media industry for facilitating the spread of hate, lies, and conspiracies https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1198001458773450752/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1198001458773450752)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: 2019-11 six minute summary speech (video) by Sacha Baron Cohen criticizing Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1198001458773450752" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72650&oldid=72640
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[chrisaldrich] That video is an edited version of Cohen at the ADL last year. Here's the entire speech which I remember being incredibly good. https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=ymaWq5yZIYM (note this is a non-youtube version of the youtube video)...
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[tantek] nice! definitely add it to the See Also entry!
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[jgmac1106] Morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Morning [jgmac1106]
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[jgmac1106] Tantek let me know when you post about Blocktober. Will promote after
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[jgmac1106] Hey JeremyCherfas. I've been swamped with new semester. Good to see old friends
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jeremycherfas I guessed you were otherwise occupied.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Privacy, Social Media, and This Website" https://jamesg.blog/2020/09/15/privacy-social-media-and-this-website.html
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[James_Gallaghe] Morning IndieWeb!
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[Murray] Morninbg 🙂
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[Murray] heh woops 😄
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[Murray] Wondering if anyone has any good tools that suggest colour palette contrast improvements (or other a11y improvements)? I've checked out the colour palette page, some great contrast checking tools, but I swear I've seen something recently that not only scored current ratios but also provided similar colours that might be better
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[jgmac1106] Yeah haven't touch my site really since March... Need to find some time
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[jgmac1106] Murray I am colorblind I use WebAim sometime but really I just google color safe palette and copy paste hex codes... Stark is cool almost too many features
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[jgmac1106] Kevin Marks writes a ton about contrast may have recommendations
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[Murray] Stark's new to me, looks interesting thanks 🙂 I already use a combination of Coolor and Colors for All that gets me decent coverage across colour blind issues (hopefully, at least, though I have no real way of confirming that I guess) and at least tells me contrast ratios. It's the automated suggestion element I'd really like to find (I see Stark has something along those lines, but behind a paywall)
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[jgmac1106] if that is all you want why not this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wcag-contrast-checker/ Have not used it but I color checker all the time.
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[Murray] That only gives me current contrast ratios for visible combinations. I'm looking for something to create an accessible palette from scratch, which actively suggests alternative colours that would be a better fit. Basically, Colors for All is brilliant, I just wish it showed how subtle hue/saturation changes can often tweak a ratio by quite a large amount
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[Murray] Unrelated, but coming to this Tweet very late (so sorry if shared before) but feel some here might enjoy it 🙂 https://twitter.com/mbredouw/status/1224527535175692288?s=20
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@mbredouw Given how front and center design is these days, I am still shocked that there is no “code of conduct” or guide to ethical design principles. I had my students write the Designers “Hippocratic Oath” and am sort of in love with what they came up with! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP5lRC3UUAEI8w-.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1224527535175692288)
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[tantek] it feels like there is enough discussion around The Social Dilemma that it may be worth capturing it on a wiki page on its own
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[tantek] e.g. https://twitter.com/Pranavmalhotra8/status/1305226355529797633 (shared from #indieweb-chat)
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@Pranavmalhotra8 Okay, so I watched #TheSocialDilemma last night and some elements of it really annoyed me and I’m still thinking about them. So, here’s a thread. (1/12) (twitter.com/_/status/1305226355529797633)
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[tw2113] “so here’s a thread” ~ twitter speak for blog post 😄
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jeremycherfas [Murray] Maybe you meant this? https://blog.datawrapper.de/beautifulcolors/
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[chrisaldrich] What is accessibility?
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Loqi Accessibility is the practice of designing so that people with disabilities can have equal access to information and functionality, applicable to both websites as well as physical environments https://indieweb.org/accessibility
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[chrisaldrich] [Murray] there's some links on color there ^^
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[Murray] chrisaldrich++ jeremycherfas++
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (70 in all channels)
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Loqi jeremycherfas has 10 karma in this channel over the last year (45 in all channels)
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[Murray] unfortunately still not exactly what I'm after but there's enough to chew through here for quite a while 😄 thanks for the links!
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[tantek] what is color palette
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Loqi color palette is the set of colors used by a web page for the background(s), text color(s), border color(s), and link/visited color(s) typically chosen to be both aesthetically pleasing, and accessible, often in an overall light or dark theme https://indieweb.org/color_palette
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[tantek] ^^^ many more color-specific resources there, please add any new ones you find useful!
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[tantek] what is colour palette
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "colour palette" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "colour palette is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] colour palette is /color_palette
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Loqi ok
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[Murray] thanks tantek, that was the first place I looked and where I (re)discovered Colors for All. If I ever happen to find the link I remember (maybe I dreamt it 😄) then I'll definitely add it in
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[tantek] thanks Murray, appreciated!
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