#indieweb 2020-09-23

2020-09-23 UTC
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jamietanna[m] Morning IndieWeb! Has anyone exported their data from Kindle before? I'm looking at getting all of my past reading imported to my site (soon, when I support it)
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petermolnar these are interesting thoughts on tweet threads vs blogpost: https://www.geoffreylitt.com/2020/09/21/twitter-and-media-for-sketching.html "Twitter is PowerPoint thinking on steroids."
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sebbu jamietanna[m], calibre-viewer should have that
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[Ana_Rodrigues] Thank you [snarfed] for those links! I am absolutely swamped with work at the moment but I will read them soon!
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Zegnat !tell [jgmac1106] Interesting reflection for students for sure! I have often gotten questions about what I publish about myself, and it often turns out I have thought more about what I make public than the average social media user has done, even if I then decided to publish more information.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[James_Gallaghe] [snarfed] ++ for the perspective on the unquantified self.
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Loqi [snarfed] has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (78 in all channels)
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[James_Gallaghe] quantified self << https://snarfed.org/2013-09-24_the-unquantified-self
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Loqi ok, I added "https://snarfed.org/2013-09-24_the-unquantified-self" to the "See Also" section of /quantified_self https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72759&oldid=72544
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[KevinMarks] yay https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=indieweb.org
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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[James_Gallaghe] privacy <<https://themarkup.org/blacklight
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[James_Gallaghe] That looks like a great resource, [KevinMarks]!
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[James_Gallaghe] privacy << https://themarkup.org/blacklight
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Loqi ok, I added "https://themarkup.org/blacklight" to the "See Also" section of /privacy https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72762&oldid=72334
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Zegnat enters the dayjob website and closes his eyes
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[James_Gallaghe] Eek…
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Zegnat That was ... not good. Hahaha
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Loqi hehe
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[James_Gallaghe] Loqi clearly does not understand context… yet.
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petermolnar huh. I can't test bbc.co.uk, only bbc.com. That latter is... hmmm.
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[chrisaldrich] What is Kindle?
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Loqi Kindle is Amazon's book silo service and hardware e-reader devices for viewing those books https://indieweb.org/Kindle
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[chrisaldrich] Kindle << https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/setting-my-marginalia-free
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/setting-my-marginalia-free" to the "See Also" section of /Kindle https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72765&oldid=71262
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[chrisaldrich] jamietanna[m] ^^ I've exported from Kindle using clippings.txt before and done search/replaces to add in appropriate HTML/classes.
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[chrisaldrich] Kindle << https://boffosocko.com/2016/10/24/notes-highlights-and-marginalia/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://boffosocko.com/2016/10/24/notes-highlights-and-marginalia/" to the "See Also" section of /Kindle https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72766&oldid=72765
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schmudde I love reading about Kindle workflows. I have a small bash script just to get My Clippings.txt onto my drive, but it's all manual right now.
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schmudde I just signed up for https://readwise.io/. It claims to ingest My Clippings.txt and not overwrite older highlights.
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Zegnat I honestly only use the Kindle for reading, so I am not sure what I even would want to export from it
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schmudde I'm a highlight nut. I do a lot of research and then I end up searching for things later. Ebooks have been a revolution in this way.
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Zegnat Oh I see. I basically only read fiction for entertainment on the Kindle. So not a whole lot of highlighting happening.
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Zegnat Also do not really like the Kindle's highlighting UX, but that might be better in newer versions
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schmudde Well, it's not great. Amazingly - it's better than Pocket's on my iPhone.
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schmudde And the Kindle on screen keyboard is really bad.
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Zegnat My Kindle is touch-less, so I agree, on screen keyboard is bad ;)
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schmudde oh one of those!
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Zegnat I think mine is second generation or somesuch. I never upgraded because Amazon took away the side buttons
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sebbu Kindle << https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/1155098
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Loqi ok, I added "https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/1155098" to the "See Also" section of /Kindle https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72767&oldid=72766
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jamietanna sebbu chrisaldrich - thanks for those! Unless I'm misreading, there doesn't seem to be an option to export the Kindle's reading history? That's more what I'm interested in, rather than highlights
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sebbu reading history should be part of bookmarks/notes
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sebbu i mean, the reading position is often just a special bookmark
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sebbu not sure if you can get the list of old books you've read, but the current ones with your position *should* be possible
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sebbu i can't test, i don't have a kindle, i just read on my android tablet :D
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[jgmac1106] i have pulled my kindle notes back to my site but it was so much work I did it once
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[Emma_Humphries] I need to see how that works on iBooks. I also need to look into that open eBook reader hardware.
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sebbu iBooks are just an epub variant
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sebbu i've tested various android ereader software to retrieve position from
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sebbu I might do an android companion app for that later (some of them have an online sync, i'm currently using that)
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[chrisaldrich] the clippings.txt is specific to each Kindle device you've got it on and it doesn't sync. It will only have historical data if you've created bookmarks, highlights, or annotations, but they'll contain date/time stamps.
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[chrisaldrich] Otherwise, you could try https://read.amazon.com/notebook and so some scraping.
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[chrisaldrich] s/so/do
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[chrisaldrich] If you have a goodreads account attached to your kindle/amazon.com account, your kindle will offer to mark things as "reading" when you start them and then give you the opportunity to rate and review them when finishing. You can then export out that data if you like.
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[chrisaldrich] I've personally mapped several goodreads feeds to post to my site with micropub using IFTTT with a recipe from GR -> webhook/micropub, so I capture all that data roughly in real time via /PESOS.
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[chrisaldrich] I haven't tried it before, but you could potentially use GDPR or one of the CA laws to see if Amazon will give you your older historical data?
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sebbu https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GXPU3YPMBZQRWZK2
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sebbu you can
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sebbu i had listed the books i've read & all on a site, but it didn't contained the isbn of every book, so i either have to switch edition or manually search the isbn :(
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sebbu i mean, i know the author / translated title / publisher / release date
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sebbu (well, at least release year)
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[chrisaldrich] Kindle << Details on: [https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GXPU3YPMBZQRWZK2 How Do I Request My Data?]
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Loqi ok, I added "Details on: [https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GXPU3YPMBZQRWZK2 How Do I Request My Data?]" to the "See Also" section of /Kindle https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72770&oldid=72767
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jamietanna jamietanna
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jamietanna woops :D
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jamietanna chrisaldrich interestingly, that link doesn't work for me, it 404s when I click submit for my Kindle data
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[snarfed] hey, bridgy publish recently broke 100k posts published! 🎉 https://brid.gy/#stats
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timotimo is there already a widely accepted way to handle re-verification of older webmentions? such that they disappear when the mentioning page deletes their link to your site?
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[snarfed] timotimo: the source is supposed to resend wms whenever the page changes, and the target will see the change, eg that the link disappeared, or that the whole page was deleted and now returns HTTP 410, and update itself
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timotimo sites do just go dead every now and then
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[snarfed] true!
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[snarfed] up to each site whether they want to re-poll regularly, and what they want to do if a site disappears. eg many wouldn’t actually choose to visibly remove those wms
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[snarfed] (also, for many bigger sites, that amount of polling regularly would be prohibitive)
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aaronpk The only reason I'd want to remove the comment is if the site changed to a spam site or something cause the domain lapsed
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aaronpk speaking of which I suspect some have already had that happen since mastodon instances tend to come and go and I've been accepting comments via ActivityPub for a while
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aaronpk dunno how I'd want to handle re-checking all of them. Maybe check one link per domain or something? Every couple months? Sounds like a lot of crawling tho
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[snarfed] yeah i still need to better automate bridgy ramping down polling mastodon instances that disappear
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aaronpk ooh
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[snarfed] (timotimo, relevant discussion on why we’ve chosen not to do this global poll-and-update in bridgy: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/762 )
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Loqi [snarfed] #762 resend all past webmentions from newly blocked users
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