#indieweb 2020-12-15

2020-12-15 UTC
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[tantek] that's brilliant
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[tantek] what is knitting
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "knitting" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "knitting is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] wait I thought we had a page for that
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mayakate[m] https://boffosocko.com/2020/12/01/indieweb-advertising-cards/ <-- [chrisaldrich]++ (I'm on Matrix and have never dug into how Loqi works)
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] IndieWeb Inspirational Cards
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[tantek] knitting is /crafts
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Loqi ok
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[KevinMarks] I had an aphorism for knitting
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[tantek] there was that one tweet about knitting and indieweb site customizing
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/888355290847956992?s=20
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@kevinmarks Take something 1-dimensional, zigzag it into a 2D manifold to cover a 3D object. Computationally mind bending. We call this tech “knitting”. (twitter.com/_/status/888355290847956992)
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/888355844055867392?s=20
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@kevinmarks Look out for the undercover geometers that can do this with 2 pointy sticks while holding a conversation. (twitter.com/_/status/888355844055867392)
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[chrisaldrich] this one tantek? https://twitter.com/robinsloan/status/1338160419769208832
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@robinsloan I have come to suspect that slowly redesigning your website (forever) provides almost exactly the same kind of light absorption & calm satisfaction as knitting or embroidery (twitter.com/_/status/1338160419769208832)
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[tantek] yes that one [chrisaldrich]++
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "A personal reader for Drupal" https://realize.be/blog/personal-reader-drupal
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aaronpk whoa cool
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swentel yeah, it feels good to write readers in php and outputting html :)
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Loqi swentel: jacky left you a message on 2020-11-12 at 7:33pm UTC: please check out https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/issues/412 when you have time
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[KevinMarks] I wonder if we could set off an inter-framework contest like https://hnpwa.com/ for social readers…
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swentel hehe
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schmudde I'm curious - is there an independent OpenID signin that people use? I expect people here use Web sign-in. And maybe some people use the corporate players like Google or GitHub to sign into sites... but is there something else out there?
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aaronpk like indieauth?
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schmudde Indeed, like IndieAuth (sorry - I was calling it Web sign-in because of this wiki article: https://indieweb.org/Web_sign-in).
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aaronpk web sign-in is the overall concept of using your own website to sign in, indieauth and openid 1 are specific ways to do that
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schmudde Thanks for the clarification.
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schmudde But I wasn't sure if anyone else was providing a credential. For example, a single credential I can use across the Fediverse.
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schmudde I mean... a single ID... not credential.
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aaronpk indieauth would fit very well in that model, I gave a talk at activitypub conference about it
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schmudde Yep. I love indieauth. I have it implemented on my domain (http://schmud.de)
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Loqi David Schmudde
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schmudde And I'm hoping the support grows. I'm also wondering what else is out there that people are using.
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schmudde I'm working on an ID system and we do plan to support IndieAuth. So I hope to contribute to its growth.
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aaronpk i've seen plenty of home-grown oauth providers too, the problem is without the consistent identity layer every client has to hardcode specific logic for each provider
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aaronpk gitea, gogs, mastodon, etc
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aaronpk i'm curious to learn more about what you're building, but we should probably take that to #indieweb-dev
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schmudde pinged you there.
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swentel jacky, will try to coordinate with [eddie], he still owns the account of the iOS version for releasing
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swentel ironically, I changed my grant a bit, focused on AP and Drupal integration
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swentel less on indigenous
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swentel (well, that's not ironic of course)
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jacky lol
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[tantek] swentel, [eddie] I'd really like discuss and see if we can find some consensus on renaming Indigenous in 2021. I thought I'd raised this as an issue on the wiki but can't find it right now. Only record I've found is from some HWC discussion: https://indieweb.org/events/2020-08-05-hwc-west-coast#Topics
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[schmarty] +1 to renaming it!
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[tantek] one way to make progress is to agree on where to discuss this so we can gather & iterate on reasoning, opinions, alternatives etc. it didn't feel quite right to put it on the main /Indigenous page in an "Issues" section but perhaps that's a necessary start and we can create separate pages as needed?
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[tantek] bringing this up here in the main channel because as a "flagship" example of IndieWeb Social Readers, it feels pretty impactful as part of the modern IndieWeb "experience", beyond what we might relegate to #indieweb-meta. That being said, if folks think meta is more appropriate, I'm also ok with moving the discussion there.
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[tantek] swentel, do you have any strong preferences or thoughts about where/how to discuss it? on /Indigenous and here in #indieweb or in #indieweb-meta?
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swentel no real strong thoughts about it tbh
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swentel I'm actually thinking to try and find another maintainer, since I've now launched the Drupal reader
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swentel so, a new maintainer, and a new new would make a lot of sense and a good fresh new start
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aaronpk oh interesting, are you switching to a web based reader experience built into drupal then?
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swentel aaronpk, yep, that's what the post is about from a few hours ago on indienews
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aaronpk neat
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swentel I'll have more help with the Drupal part than I'll ever have with Android/iOS, the barrier to help out there is much lower
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swentel and my iOS knowledge is fading away very fast too :)
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[tantek] swentel, [schmarty] I started https://indieweb.org/Indigenous#Renaming, feel free to add your opinions & thoughts!
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[schmarty] thanks, tantek!
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[eddie] Hey all. I'm fine with renaming Indigenous. It's kind of in a "unsupported" state right now, but I'm happy to go through some Apple loopholes to try to rename it. I would say, I don't feel that "misappropriation" is the right term, as the word indigenous is an adjective with many meanings.
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[eddie] It wasn't named or given the purpose of claiming to be about or related to "indigenous people" (where people are the noun), but instead that it is "innate; inherent; natural" to the iOS platform. Which is a legitimate definition of the word.
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[eddie] That said, while it's not misappropriation, I do think it can be not as thoughtful, as I would appreciate it to be
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[eddie] I have had thoughts of renaming it in the past, due to the misconceptions it could create for people
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[eddie] My long term plan (if I ever get the time) is to replace it with more focused individual apps, which would be named for their purposes (remark, chronicler, anthologist)
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[eddie] In the short term, I don't have any great ideas for a name replacement, but if I think of something or if you all have ideas, I'm happy to go through those Apple logistics to get it renamed
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[chrisaldrich] Haven't dug into heavily yet, but it looks like there's another Goodreads competitor in the space. Maybe some useful UI examples hiding in here? https://www.italictype.com/
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[tantek] [eddie]++ appreciate your thoughtful consideration and explanation of the naming origins.
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