#indieweb 2021-01-17

2021-01-17 UTC
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[tantek] if anyone has any experience with BlockParty, maybe add it to the appropriate section (or a least See Also) in /block ?
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aaronpk oh no, my shitpost a couple months ago is now the top google result for "fedex imcls" and it's a *surprising* amount of my traffic this month
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[tantek] googles
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[tw2113_Slack_] can confirm
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[tw2113_Slack_] Someday, i hope to beat out Michael Bernard Beckwith for a google ranking
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[tw2113_Slack_] perhaps i should post about him, so i get double Michael Beckwith references
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mcepl aaronpk: https://openid.indieauth.com/auth?me=https://matej.ceplovi.cz/&redirect_uri=%2Fopenid%2Fcomplete seems to redirect to the relative URL /openid/complete which seems to be wrong. What should I do?
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mcepl (when try to login to openstreetmap.org, when testing on indieauth.com, it seems to work)
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jamietanna mcepl what starts the auth flow for OpenId?
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jamietanna that looks like it may be the client that's starting the flow that's erring
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mcepl https://www.openstreetmap.org/login?referer=%2F#
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mcepl if you need some headers or something, let me know
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jamietanna interesting, so OpenStreetMap's OpenID takes your `me` and seems to get a referred of %2F (/)
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jamietanna (I've not looked into OpenID so much, so kinda just talking out loud - I wonder if we should go to #indieweb-dev
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sknebel debugging in #indieweb-dev please, yes
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aaronpk will follow up there
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[tantek] what is person tagging
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL, and which the post author explicitly adds as a tagging action, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink, h-card, or @-name (autocompleted or not) https://indieweb.org/person-tagging
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[tantek] hmm, the criticism I thought we had is not there
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[tantek] what is a photo tag
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "photo tag" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "photo tag is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG It is
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GWG Just not filed clearly
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GWG Look under rethinking
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GWG Probably should be criticism
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[tantek] GWG, yeah maybe we've brainstormed / thought about it enough to start a brief Criticism section
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GWG [tantek]: For now, I'm not tagging people until I figure it out, and I'm on the fence about posting pictures of others at all
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GWG I tried to distinguish by people who I know appeared in other publicly posted photos
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[tantek] I think that's good guidance and worth writing up in /person_tag#Brainstorming as a candidate "How to"
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[tantek] the explicit consent that we get before taking photos at HWC / IWC is I feel part of the solution in general
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[tantek] there's consent to take a photo, and then consent to publish to publish a photo. they have different expectations
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GWG Is that brainstorming or criticism though?
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GWG I think I might start a criticism section.
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[tantek] GWG, two different things
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[tantek] 1 definitely start the criticism section pointing out the problems
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[tantek] 2 start a *new* "How to" subsection in Brainstorming that lists your proposed solutions, e.g. "not tagging people until I figure it out, and I'm on the fence about posting pictures of others at all. ... distinguish by people who I know appeared in other publicly posted photos ..."
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GWG Exactly
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GWG How's that?
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[tantek] GWG++ great additions.
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Loqi GWG has 34 karma in this channel over the last year (152 in all channels)
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GWG [tantek]: Just to cover myself, do I have your consent to tag you in any IWC/HWC content I may choose to post?
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GWG It's not like I obsessively took photos at most indieweb events. I usually only take a handful.
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[tantek] GWG, yeah I trust your intuition about photos
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[tantek] oh this reminds me of a brainstorm I wrote up *years ago* about photo posting
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GWG [tantek]: I've seen you do several.
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[tantek] tantek.com/w/CommunicationProtocols#Photosharing
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[tantek] oh dear opensourcebridge.org is down 😞 aaronpk do you know the folks that might own that domain? what would it take to setup a static copy of the content that used to be there?
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[tantek] e.g. I just tried to go to http://www.opensourcebridge.org/about/recording-policy/
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[tantek] last archived in 2019 apparently https://web.archive.org/web/20191002020405/http://www.opensourcebridge.org/about/recording-policy/
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GWG I'm continuing the posting of never before seen photos from my archive
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GWG I think I need to look into improving my Photo Sphere posts. I just found some old ones from the suite I had in Manila in 2018
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GWG Other than [schmarty], has any posted some 360 degree photos?
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[tantek] do we have a page describing what they are and linking to IndieWeb examples?
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[tantek] GWG is there a common name for them? or just 360 degree photos?
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GWG [tantek]: Photo Sphere or 360 degree are the two I've seen
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[tantek] what is a photo sphere?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "photo sphere" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "photo sphere is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is a 360 degree photo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "360 degree photo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "360 degree photo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] perhaps [KevinMarks] has an opinion (I'm thinking QuickTime VR as early prior art)
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GWG Photo Sphere is the google term for it, I believe.
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] oh no lol
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[tantek] GWG, perhaps check Wikipedia to see if the folks there have a canonical name for it
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GWG VR Photography is the interactive viewing of wide angle photography, encompassing a 360 degree circle or sphere. The result is known as a 'vr photo', '360-degree photo', 'photo spehere', 'spherical photo', 'interactive panorama' or 'immersive panorama'
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GWG [tantek]: https://indieweb.org/photo#Marty_McGuire
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GWG Marty, in April of 2016, refers to it
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GWG We both even appear in that demo image https://martymcgui.re/2016/08/28/114014/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] Click or tap the image to view the panorama A nice 360 photo of the nice folks in the Content session on day one of IndieWebCamp NYC2 https://media.martymcgui.re/6b/cc/76/6d/dae9659d8fbd8df24bbf2fbf57570cb0e8065bdc87f3d3b921dfcbbe.jpg
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GWG So, terminology is still muddled.
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[tantek] I'd expect the wikipedia folks to have at least a working convergence on a term / phrase
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GWG I just had an idea for another custom feed
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GWG Recently updated posts
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GWG To show my retro stuff
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[tantek] GWG, I believe that is the *default* feed for Wikis, e.g. https://indieweb.org/Special:RecentChanges
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[tantek] what is recent changes
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/recent_changes
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GWG I want to add it to my site though
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GWG WordPress supports it with a query string... just need a rewrite
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[tantek] sure, I was merely pointing to prior art / terminology / examples 🙂
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[tantek] perhaps that means it's time to turn that redirect into an actual article
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[KevinMarks] as 360 isn't quite right either as its 4π steradians…
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[KevinMarks] so sphere is a good name
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[tantek] KevinMarks have you found a wikipedia page for the format/medium?
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[KevinMarks] wikipedia doesn't take a position on the name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VR_photography
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[tantek] based on the order of "known as" and shortening for parallelism with our existing /photo page, I'd say VR photo is the winner
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[tantek] what is a VR photo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "VR photo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "VR photo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] ^ have at it GWG, [KevinMarks], [schmarty]
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[schmarty] Oooh sweet
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[Tamar] Hi all, just discovered #indieweb today, or more accurately, the name for something I've been more or less doing since the 90s. Happy to see this space.
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sknebel welcome :)
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[KevinMarks] Welcome Tamar
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[tantek] Welcome [Tamar]!
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[Tamar] This might be too big a question, but: Does anyone here have a favorite way of building a digital garden? I already have a blog and microblog on my Wordpress site and am looking for a way to log my reading notes in different categories and media. I'm thinking of creating a sub blog for it but I wonder if there's something better for this.
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] ^
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GWG I think that's doable
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GWG I would just have some questions
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[tw2113_Slack_]1 I simply registered https://digitalgarden.tech/ and post things I think are not applicable on any other domain I own
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[tw2113_Slack_]1 if the design sucks, it's because i'm not a designer
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[tw2113_Slack_]1 if the design isn't horrible, it's because at times i suck at sucking at being a designer
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[tw2113_Slack_]1 my favorite touch is the colors are randomized on refresh
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[tw2113_Slack_]1 second favorite is probably the thicker border width on the bottom of items
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[chrisaldrich] Welcome [Tamar]. Your avatar looks familiar. New_Public festival??
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[chrisaldrich] what is a commonplace book?
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Loqi A Commonplace book (or commonplaces) are a way to compile and store knowledge, usually by writing information into books, notebooks, card catalogs, or in more modern settings on one's own website https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book
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[chrisaldrich] There are some examples there ^^. I variously use my WordPress site, a TiddlyWiki, and a private local version of Obsidian.md (which I'm contemplating making a static site).
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[Tamar] [chrisaldrich] Hi, yes, I've been looking at your site/twitter as a reference. Great stuff!
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[chrisaldrich] Some of it may come down to want public vs. private and how easy is it or isn't it to link your content together and search it.
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[chrisaldrich] There are many using Roam Research for this publicly, but it's more of a silo and not very IndieWeb at all (in addition to being expensive at $15/month if I recall.)
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[chrisaldrich] I'm not sure if they're listed on that page, but some interesting people to follow in that space are Maggie Appleton and Anne-Laure Le Cunff of nesslabs.com.
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[chrisaldrich] Others in the space will also use the word Zettelkasten, which is an idea you'll find interesting from the academic/publishing side.
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[chrisaldrich] Tamar, where is your personal site?
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[chrisaldrich] This also reminds me that we need to actually schedule https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/Sessions#Gardens_.26_Streams_II. [Tamar], you could add your interest there for a pop up session when it get's scheduled shortly.
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[chrisaldrich] What is org mode?
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Loqi Org mode is for keeping notes, maintaining todo lists, planning projects, and authoring documents with a fast and effective plain-text system https://indieweb.org/Org_mode
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[chrisaldrich] commonplace book << Org mode
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Org mode]]" to the "See Also" section of /commonplace_book https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74286&oldid=74203