#indieweb 2021-02-12

2021-02-12 UTC
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[tantek] What is the algorithm?
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Loqi An algorithm in general is a series of steps used to to automatically perform computations and other operations to produce a result; on the IndieWeb many standards have user-centric algorithms for peer to peer site interactions; social media silos have user-exploitative algorithms for advertising and reinforcing addictive behaviors https://indieweb.org/algorithm
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[tantek] algorithm << IG supposedly prefers: Private bookmark over sharing to your story over commenting over liking when evaluating how prominently to show a post on follower reader streams: https://www.instagram.com/p/CLFCGqOj10D/
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Loqi ok, I added "IG supposedly prefers: Private bookmark over sharing to your story over commenting over liking when evaluating how prominently to show a post on follower reader streams: https://www.instagram.com/p/CLFCGqOj10D/" to the "See Also" section of /algorithm https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74576&oldid=59152
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aaronpk hmm any other sources for that?
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aaronpk I am skeptical, could be someone just looking for engagement on that post
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aciccarello[m] Given that the post refers to the algorithmic feed as a "shadow ban" I'm also skeptical
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[Murray] Does anyone use Brid.gy to post Tweet *threads* to Twitter? Don't see anything in the FAQ, but think it should be possible (just might be too complex for my setup)
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[Ana_Rodrigues] I can see how that could be true - I mostly use the bookmark function now and many times I bump into posts with thousands of likes but not a single comment. The bookmarks are easy to access again whilst the “liked” posts and hidden away.
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[Ana_Rodrigues] correction: “liked” posts are hidden away.
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[Ana_Rodrigues] Now that “power point type” of posts on instagram are growing, I suppose that people want to save them to refer to them later instead of liking it and outing themselves (if the topic of the post is very personal). I do that…
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Zegnat !tell [Murray] not sure if this was that you were thinking of, but treora has been to IndieWebCamps and builds WebMemex, which includes features like a full offline archive of pages (e.g. see https://blog.webmemex.org/2017/07/10/keep-all-the-gems/) … though cannot find that on the wiki right now either :o
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[Murray] Zegnat: thanks, definitely something different but potentially useful in a different way, will check it out :thumbsup: (PS I believe "memex" is broadly used but niche term so not surprised its being used for a few different things; I know I've seen it crop up in a talk adactio gave a year or so ago as well)
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Zegnat Might have been a bit farfetched, I was just trying to recall what types of “memex” have been discussed at different times.
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sknebel afaik getmemex/worldbrain is based on the same thing
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sknebel but given Zegnat just pinged him we'll probably hear from the source soon :D
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[snarfed] [Murray] re tweet threads w/Bridgy, you can do it by posting a series of replies, https://brid.gy/about#reply , but otherwise there’s no explicit thread feature right now
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[snarfed] the main open question is how you’d post a thread on your site and mark it up with mf2, which Bridgy would then consume. i don’t know that we have much prior art on that
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/reply-chain#Markup
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Loqi hey [snarfed], it looks like this conversation is getting pretty technical, can you take it to #indieweb-dev?
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[snarfed] yeah maybe 🤷
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[Murray] snarfed++ thanks for the reply and links, hadn't noticed the stuff on /reply-chain before
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Loqi snarfed has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (54 in all channels)
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[Murray] using replies was how I'd thought about it in my head; I guess the weird bit being that you'd need to post each instance, get the Twitter url, then post the next one with the correct reply URL. For a static site user (like me) I think that might be too big of a headache 😄 Doable, though...
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[Murray] might give this some more thought
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[snarfed] True! good point, that is indeed annoying
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[snarfed] I haven’t seen many people post threads literally on their site like this, ie as a series of separate reply posts. I doubt may people here have decent UXes for that on their site, esp anywhere near Twitter’s
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[snarfed] also not sure it’s something we want to optimize for or recreate literally. an alternative would be posting normal full-length posts, and then customizing them into threads just for Twitter, a la https://brid.gy/about#silo-content
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[snarfed] regardless, if you come up with a concrete feature request here, feel free to file it!
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[KevinMarks] noterlive.com kind of does that, except it doesn't keep the tweet id history, just makes an html version
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[KevinMarks] also it is tuned to the kind of live-quoting I do at conferences
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[KevinMarks] but might be a starting point
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[Murray] I've used NoterLive quite a bit - KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 16 karma in this channel over the last year (64 in all channels)
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[Murray] as you say, really great for conferences, but I ultimately end up compiling those kinds of threads into actual articles so I've never considered it
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[Murray] I think that's how most threads would work for me, not that they're something I do often: it's an article split up into chunks. In that case, I'd agree that just posting a normal article would make sense
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[Murray] I guess I was thinking this morning about starting up a long-term thread, something I just keep adding to
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[Murray] something like Eric Meyer's "reality continues to be written be a malfunctioning Markov chain" thing: https://twitter.com/meyerweb/status/1359574910197260294?s=20
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@meyerweb Reality continues to be written by a malfunctioning Markov chain generator. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et4uLF9XMAMZhOd.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1359574910197260294)
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[Murray] or Dan Mall's incredibly depressing security screening thread: https://twitter.com/meyerweb/status/1359574910197260294?s=20
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@meyerweb Reality continues to be written by a malfunctioning Markov chain generator. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et4uLF9XMAMZhOd.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1359574910197260294)
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[Murray] woops, should be https://twitter.com/danmall/status/1225480375541149696?s=20
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@danmall "Randomly" selected for screening at the airport. Again. (twitter.com/_/status/1225480375541149696)
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[Murray] anyway, I'll continue thinking about it 😄 see if I ever bother implementing it on my site, and then might consider how to POSSE after
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://snarfed.org/2021-02-12_a-new-portal-for-the-decentralized-web
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jamietanna [Murray] I've done threads from my site - I need to make sure I reply to my site's original post first (and make sure the reply syndicates to Twitter) but that works for me
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[Murray] jamietanna: so how do you handle getting the url for each reply in the thread? (maybe a dev topic 😄) I seem to recall you're using static pages, so do you rebuild between each post?
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jacky same - I've written them out in a text file and then chain reply via Quill
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jacky it could be nice to have a "native" interface for that but truthfully, threads are specific to Twitter and are because blog posts aren't possible on Twitter
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jacky settings
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treora Zegnat et al.: FYI WorldBrain's Memex (= getmemex.com) has some shared history with my WebMemex project; we collaborated for some months, then went in somewhat different directions; I focussed on web page snapshotting for a while, and got distracted with other things; WorldBrain's version added more and more features and got a lot closer to what I had in mind for WebMemex.
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treora (my work on memexy stuff was mostly in 2016–2018; I would like to get back to this stuff but well, there are many things competing for attention..)
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[Murray] jacky: I agree that most threads are Twitter-specific, I guess I just see the examples I posted as something a little bit different. Related content, all sharing a specific theme, posted over a long period of time. That feels like a use for threads on my site 🤷
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jacky I'd say that's' a case for collections!
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jacky what are collections
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Loqi A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/collections
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jacky I'm still thinking about what and how to present them on my site tbh
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jacky like for a `devlog` to show when I'm chatting about changes to code
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[Murray] hmm, there's something I haven't come across before, does sound similar 🙂 I
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aaronpk there’s always tag feeds too
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[Murray] I guess I personally wouldn't want each update to have a unique post associated, more just a new entry on an existing page, but yeah looks similar
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aaronpk like, add a tag to the post, and if you have pages that list all posts with a tag, then that happens automatically
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[Murray] yeah, I have something similar to that for tags and categories already, I guess here it's about having just a single page where everything is kept because I explicitly don't want them to be connected to other posts
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[Murray] but all useful ideas to dig into 🙂
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jacky [Murray]: I don't think I follow in that last bit
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aaronpk ah this sounds like the concept of “channels” on my site
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[Murray] jacky: no worries, I think at this point I'm talking more hyper-specific to my use case, less useful from a general "how would people do x" perspective 😄
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aaronpk i don’t use them for topics, but i use them as roughly post type-ish sorting
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jacky that's cool! if you do have a way to flesh it out, def squeeze that into the Brainstorming bit on that page tbh
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jacky aaronpk: that's close to what I think I'm doing now
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[Murray] :thumbsup:
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[Murray] _goes off to check out channels_
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jacky I'd like to have a 'curated' page of sorts though, a bit like flash cards/notes for a particular thing
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[KevinMarks] collections have an implied order, whereas tags don't?
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aaronpk I (intentionally) don’t have a list of all my channels publicly, but the nav at the top with the spark lines is a few of them
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[KevinMarks] though aaron has pinned posts for tags
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aaronpk also at the bottom there are a few more