#indieweb 2021-02-18

2021-02-18 UTC
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[KevinMarks] Today in silos https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1362172699263590407?s=20
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@JuddLegum Just to be clear, Facebook has decided it is OK, at its sole discretion, to BAN EVERY PIECE OF NEWS CONTENT FROM AN ENTIRE CONTINENT (twitter.com/_/status/1362172699263590407)
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GWG And the day I try [snarfed]'s new Facebook extension
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[chrisaldrich] What is a travelogue?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "travelogue" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "travelogue is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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alex11 in fairness that whole australia thing is really screwy
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[KevinMarks] it really is, and Google appeasing it is odd too
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[snarfed] Bridgy Chrome extension w/Facebook support is ready! https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bridgy/lcpeamdhminbbjdfjbpmhgjgliaknflj (cc [gRegorLove] [schmarty] GWG)
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[snarfed] Bridgy Chrome extension for Facebook is ready: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bridgy/lcpeamdhminbbjdfjbpmhgjgliaknflj .
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[schmarty] snarfed++ exciting!!
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Loqi snarfed has 28 karma in this channel over the last year (57 in all channels)
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[tantek] what is bookmark this selection?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bookmark this selection" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "bookmark this selection is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] you might find this request interesting: https://www.otsukare.info/2021/02/12/bookmarks-selection
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[tantek] (fragmentions)
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KartikPrabhu Ruxton: relevant to what you were saying: https://twitter.com/Robbotron/status/1362172702363168771
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@Robbotron Facebook isn’t allowing Australians to share news articles because Murdoch’s trying to get the Aus government to force Facebook + Google to pay for the right to link to news stories. It’s Old Evil vs New Evil in a fight to see who gets paid for telling your Nan to be scared (twitter.com/_/status/1362172702363168771)
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Saphire Cyberpunk is here, and it's boring 🍿
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alex11 but yeah i may be on facebook's side for once on that one
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alex11 it's very trendy to be like 'wow, facebook hates australia, what a petulent company' but this really is australia's fault
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alex11 petulant*
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petermolnar I'm all in favour of crushing FB
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Saphire Both are bad c.c
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[fluffy] To use the r/aita terminology, ESH.
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[fluffy] (That said Australia sucks more in this case)
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sebbu i'ld be on the side of australia, facebook shouldn't participate in censorship about
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sebbu news
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[tantek] I'm ok with hobbling FB, however the likely collateral damage to independent websites is not worth it
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[fluffy] Yeah in this case it’s not Facebook censoring things, it’s Australia trying to break how the web works.
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[fluffy] Facebook is trying to prove a point about how linking to things shouldn’t require payment.
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[fluffy] Also “hobbling” should probably go on your list of violent metaphors.
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[fluffy] It has the double whammy of having very violent roots and slavery roots.
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[tantek] oof, completely agreed [fluffy]
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petermolnar > it’s Australia trying to break how the web works. - well, the web doesn't work in it's current form, so while Australia regularly does insane (in my eyes) acts, this may not be one of them.
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petermolnar just think of HTTP 402 Payment Required
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sebsel “it’s Australia trying to break how the web works” > yes but isn’t Facebook trying to break how the web works too?
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sebsel feels indeed like a “both are bad”
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[tantek] Facebook is breaking how democracy works. That's a different category of breakage.
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neshpion facebook is breaking how public discorse and interpersonal relationships work
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sebsel Facebook is more and more a walled garden itself. One can also say that Facebook isn’t the web anymore. But then how does Australia break the web by regulating it?
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sebsel okay that last point is not valid, sorry
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sebsel but isn’t the whole point that Facebook is not only linking, but also showing a lot of the story inline already? to the point that the user does not really have to or want to click the link anymore?
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petermolnar > [tantek]: Facebook is breaking how democracy works. - ehm, no. Facebook is trying to become the gateway to the internet.
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petermolnar again, http 402 needs some love, it finally gets it.
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petermolnar "how the web works" is fun to read, when "payment required" is an error code from three decades ago
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jacky ^
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[snarfed] fun random bit of trivia: 402 was the original codename for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Surveys
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[KevinMarks] Was that you?
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[snarfed] not me. brett slatkin, jeremy ginsberg, maybe jack hebert
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[snarfed] [schmarty] just FYI i’ve fixed the Bridgy browser extension to be fully compatible with Facebook Container tabs (in v0.3.2): https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bridgy/
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[schmarty] snarfed++ woah, nice!
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Loqi snarfed has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (58 in all channels)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Bridgy browser extension for Instagram" https://snarfed.org/2021-02-18_bridgy-browser-extension-for-instagram-2
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[snarfed] ugh wrong slug
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Bridgy browser extension for Facebook" https://snarfed.org/2021-02-18_bridgy-browser-extension-for-facebook
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[snarfed] ^ sorry for the dupe aaronpk, feel free to delete the first one
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