#indieweb 2021-02-28

2021-02-28 UTC
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[KevinMarks] we used to talk about 'social software' - 'social media' came later
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@mayli i think digital washi tape should be a thing i don't know how yet but i want it (twitter.com/_/status/1365185032961155073)
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[chrisaldrich] Filing under potential micropub ideas: https://twitter.com/mayli/status/1365185032961155073
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[chrisaldrich] I haven't tried it yet, but there's a new IndieWeb friendly WordPress theme in the official repository with microfomats support: https://wordpress.org/themes/velox/
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GWG Great
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] it was social software / social networks, and then Peter Hirshberg coined "conversational media" at Technorati. At some point after that, it evolved into "social media"
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[tantek] (at least I'm pretty sure Peter coined it. he may have also picked up on it from someone else at Technorati and then amplified it. he definitely made it a "thing" in all the talks he gave)
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Saphire It's still "social network" in Russian ^^
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[cleverdevil] Okay, finished up my health tracking for now with a few changes today. Now I report on global historical metrics too, with min/max/average visualization. https://cleverdevil.io/health
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[cleverdevil] I still need to make it responsive.
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[cleverdevil] I am particularly pleased with the gradients on the min/max/average bars. The gradient matches the thresholds so they’re all unique. Pretty cool :)
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GWG I just taught WordPress to display permalinks with an ISO ordinal date order for no particular reason.
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maxwelljoslyn morning IW :)
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maxwelljoslyn Great visualization work cleverdevil!!
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maxwelljoslyn I got feedbck on last week's hwc americas from Sam one of the new attendees. paraphrasing, he would have liked more q&a with newbies about what htey want to get out of HWC / indieweb.
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maxwelljoslyn I feel we are usually pretty welcoming but maybe that got swept awayin our high turnout of regulars
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GWG maxwelljoslyn: If he comes back next week we'll do better
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maxwelljoslyn Yes we will. and onward into the future
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[KevinMarks] We did less of the "show us your site" maybe
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aaronpk "post"?
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[scojjac] we could co-opt yeet
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sebsel Well, fwiw: I have tried to read less on Twitter and focus on my blog more, and I ended up writing longer stuff. So yes, for me, "post" is the right word.
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[KevinMarks] what is a note?
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Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indieweb.org/note
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sebsel "post" means "write something on your own site", "tweet" means "scream into the stream"
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[KevinMarks] isn't that the tweet equivalent?
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aaronpk tweets can also have photos and videos, so "note" doesn't capture that exactly
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[snarfed] KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 17 karma in this channel over the last year (67 in all channels)
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aaronpk but no i don't think we really need a cutesy name for tweet
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aaronpk more here: https://indieweb.org/posts#Types_of_Posts
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sebsel hm, I disagree. It's enabling inter-site comments, that feels different to me. Also, there is no requirement :)
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aaronpk right, the posts can exist regardless of webmention or microformats
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Loqi btrem, aaronpk: we try to keep dev talk out of this channel, can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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[scojjac] @btrem the answer to that is no. you'll see microblog, micropost, post, note ... and really, a "tweet" is just a branded type of post, yeah? IndieWeb is supposed to be more capable and more flexible than any siloed option, so I think there's a bit of an aversion to trying to exactly match something like a tweet
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aaronpk i'm trying loqi
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sebsel lol @ yeet
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[scojjac] Because I like wordplay and jokes. haha
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aaronpk no loqi is just getting mad at me mentioning microformats
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aaronpk but as far as what's "agreed upon" (which barely is even a thing), that's captured on the wiki https://indieweb.org/posts#Types_of_Posts
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[scojjac] Oh yeah, it took me a minute to realize Loqi was a bot - I wasn't sure how to take him the first time
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sebsel gives Loqi a microformat
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Loqi laughs at the microformat
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[KevinMarks] if you use autolink you can get photos and video in notes too
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Loqi An autolink is a hyperlink that was automatically added to some text to link that text to an obvious or useful destination, like hyperlinking a URL in plaintext to the URL itself, linking hashtags to search results, and @-names to their profile pages https://indieweb.org/autolink
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aaronpk yeah i would say things like "post from your website"
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aaronpk depends on the context
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sebsel also, the words "tweet" and "tweep" are not invented my Twitter, they are (like the hashtag btw) invented by Twitter users. I guess some word will come up at some point, but no, nothing new has stuck.
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sebsel To me "post" is fine for now
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sebsel ahh! so you're looking for a word to put in your URL?
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sebsel I decided not to put post-types in the URL because I read somewhere that aaronpk had bad experiences with it
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sebsel what is URL design?
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Loqi URL design is the practice of deliberately designing URLs, in particular, permalinks, typically for a better UX for everyone who creates, reads, and shares content https://indieweb.org/URL_design
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[cleverdevil] 👋 Hello, IndieWeb :)
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sebsel I even have links for likes. That's how webmentions work. But yes, it feels a bit much sometimes.
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aaronpk every post (note, photo, like, etc) kind of needs its own URL if you want things to work with webmention
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sebsel No I mean for likes I post myself.
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aaronpk this is now getting into #indieweb-dev territory, but you'll need to tell the thing you're sending the webmention to what the URL of your post is so it can go look it up
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sebsel I don't post them that often anymore, but this is an example https://seblog.nl/2020/10/13/1/like
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Seb vindt een post van iA Inc. leuk.
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aaronpk you can of course mix your replies and likes and articles all into one page/feed if you want, but that's a separate issue than whether each of your posts has a permalink
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sebsel hm yea better to hop to #indieweb-dev if we're going in depth on how to do stuff
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[scojjac] @Btrem I was thinking if you replace ‘tw’ in tweet with ‘i’ (for indieweb), the ‘ie’ combo would make a ‘y’ sound, thus “yeet”. Plus yeeting is throwing, and you’re kind of throwing your ideas out into the void
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sebsel it's a novel word
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sebsel https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yeet
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aaronpk aha yes this is a great user-focused example of why permalinks are useful
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sebsel also: URLs are not that expensive, you can have quite a few
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sebsel probably bad for your SEO but hey it's my site I don't care
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[KevinMarks] the old answer was to link to an id on your month page
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Loqi btrem: can you move the tech talk to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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[jgmac1106] hee hee yeet my kids mean it to throw things not sure how it got there from here: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yeet
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[jgmac1106] oh to throw away at high velocity...duh throw
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[jgmac1106] Literally over my shoulder as the kids pla yingSmash Bro:7 year old stomping feet..."You literally can't yeet someone that far"
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