#indieweb 2021-03-15
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Saphire I should NOT have read the replies there
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KartikPrabhu what is substack?
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Loqi substack is a silo for publishing blog posts https://indieweb.org/substack
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[chrisaldrich] I just ran across something potentially concerning for the first time. I was on a WordPress.com site whose last post was in 2016 and between the first and second post there was a sponsored post for an Automattic product/service. A small link next to it directed to this: https://wordpress.com/support/native-sponsored-posts/
# [chrisaldrich] So apparently for their free sites, in addition to having injected ads, they're now also throwing in sponsored posts as well.
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petermolnar WTF Automattic?!
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# doosboox I'm trying to understand what h-card is and how it works. The examples on the wiki use <a class="h-card">, but in the wild I see <span class="h-card"> and others
# doosboox what's the recommended approach, and is there a specific way data within the h-card should be structured?
# doosboox Loqi: definitely!
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# petermolnar "The comments on far too many Inquirer.com stories are toxic, and have gotten worse as mounting extremism and election denialism pollute our national discourse. Our staff and readers deserve better."
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[KevinMarks] Talking of problems to solve, what's the indieweb answer to this? I think podcast https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1371435013154082824?s=20
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@doctorow Last autumn, I ran the most successful audiobook crowdfunding campaign ever, raising nearly $270k with ATTACK SURFACE, the third Little Brother book: http://attacksurface.com 1/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwhQRK1UYAAsLZy.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1371435013154082824)
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# doosboox I have struggled for some time to find a way to just download and play mp3 on my iphone
# doosboox it appears to be nigh impossible by design
# doosboox I can play an mp3 file or stream from within my browser app, but that stops when the screen lock kicks in or I switch app focus. And it forgets where I last was, making any file longer than a couple of minutes useless in it
# doosboox If I were to release an audiobook for mobile consumption I’d deliver it as a podcast with chapters as episodes, possibly at a hard-to-guess URL shared with backers. I’d also publish it on Author Republic, which propagates it onwards to a bunch of audiobook services for a small fee
# doosboox Hello, btw. :) I’m new to the indieweb thing. Since a few months back I’ve meandered through the landscape of historical and current distributed social media standards. Ended up reading a bunch of w3c standards documents, and decided to do a deeper dive into indieweb after reading about webmention
# doosboox So! What’s this all about? :D
# doosboox GWG: yes! Spent quite some time on it, but mostly on the technical documentation :)
# [KevinMarks] yes, doing it as a podcast was what i suggested to Cory too https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1371440171648946184?s=20
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@kevinmarks @doctorow Could you have delivered it as a podcast? That is one of the last open ways to do it. Send purchasers to a custom url each? That would fit in with a lot of listeners. You could also wrap it in a PWA if they want an app experience. (twitter.com/_/status/1371440171648946184)
# [KevinMarks] I thought this post from Murray was helpful about perceptions of indieweb https://theadhocracy.co.uk/wrote/one-year-in-the-indieweb - at base the idea of having your own site is key, but we have a lot of building blocks to solve other problems you may have too; you don't need to implement them all, just the ones that make sense to you
# doosboox I've forayed pretty deep into what "social" really means in terms of technical functionality, looking into how Atom feeds led to OStatus, that led to pump.io, that led to ActivityPub. And how it's sort of reinvented with twtxt. A couple of days ago I started thinking about all the web standards I've read about lately and how they can be added one
# doosboox by one to a simple website to eventually provide a tailored OStatus-like experience (with modern standards). Then I thought "hmm, maybe I should look closer at IndieWeb... this feels like something up their alley"
# doosboox an lo and behold; that's pretty much exactly what IndieWeb seems to be, from a technical standpoint :D
# doosboox [KevinMarks]: thanks! I'll read Murray's article!
# [KevinMarks] yes, indieweb is similar to OStatus in that it is a set of components that work together - eg WebSub is an iteration of PubSubHubbub. Unlike ActivityPub we preserved it as components.
# doosboox [KevinMarks]: the downside of websub is that the standard assumes you need a hub. The upside is that the publisher->hub side of it is underspecced, and you could easily just pretend that the publisher *is* the hub :)
# [KevinMarks] this is probably a #indieweb-dev conversation on details
# doosboox haha, yeah sorry :)
# doosboox Can you guys tell me more about the social/community aspects of IndieWeb?
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jamietanna doosboox what in particular are you thinking of? :)
# jamietanna https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/10/20/indieweb-talk/ may also be worth a read, it's the basis for a talk I've done a few times about the IndieWeb
# doosboox jamietanna: basically, what *is* IndieWeb, apart from a set of principles and technical standards? :) What makes it a community or movement?
# doosboox jamietanna: Oooh! Will read that! Ty
# [KevinMarks] the combination of chat and wiki is a big part of the community; the events are the more intense part https://events.indieweb.org/
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: https://theadhocracy.co.uk/wrote/one-year-in-the-indieweb (from https://boffosocko.com/2021/03/15/55788527/)
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# [KevinMarks] This kinda goes with that cartoon https://twitter.com/colbyfayock/status/1370372574660734979?s=20
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@colbyfayock Today’s the day 🥳 From Design to Development Crash Course is live! By building a Twitter clone, you’ll learn: - @figmadesign - Next.js - @SassCSS - @storybookjs - @Applitools - @Github Actions - @airtable - @Netlify (deploy + Identity) >3.5 hours 😱 https://fromdesignto.dev/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwSKht6XEAcgxuU.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1370372574660734979)
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# [chrisaldrich] TFW you go to unroll a Twitter thread and they've done the work for you already: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1371460603596791808 🙂
# @doctorow ETA - If you'd like an unrolled version of this thread to read or share, here's a link to it on http://pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog: https://pluralistic.net/2021/03/15/free-markets/#rent-seeking (twitter.com/_/status/1371460603596791808)
# [chrisaldrich] doctorow++ 💅
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# [KevinMarks] Cory's manual until it hurts process is something else
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[tantek] sorta silo / web discovery related, just noticed that Bing results for a /venue search include Foursquare Tips in the sidebar! e.g. https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZLBR&pc=MOZI&q=Walgreens+parnassus+hours
# [KevinMarks] hm https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/mar/15/tim-berners-lee-we-need-social-networks-where-bad-things-happen-less weird that the address bar had a bad url
# [tantek] URL design << Why slugs MUST NOT be a required part of your permalinks, good example of a Guardian article URL being broken when copy/pasted from a browser address bar into Slack: https://chat.indieweb.org/2021-03-15#t1615849807595000
# Loqi ok, I added "Why slugs MUST NOT be a required part of your permalinks, good example of a Guardian article URL being broken when copy/pasted from a browser address bar into Slack: https://chat.indieweb.org/2021-03-15#t1615849807595000" to the "See Also" section of /URL_design https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74893&oldid=73743
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# [KevinMarks] I copied it from chrome the manually deleted the routing cruft. Let me try again
# [KevinMarks] SMS << your number can be invisibly rerouted by random telco companies https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g8wb/hacker-got-my-texts-16-dollars-sakari-netnumber
# Loqi ok, I added "your number can be invisibly rerouted by random telco companies https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g8wb/hacker-got-my-texts-16-dollars-sakari-netnumber" to the "See Also" section of /SMS https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74896&oldid=74894
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