#indieweb 2021-05-08

2021-05-08 UTC
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich]++ for all the wiki citations!
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[girrodocus] Thank you!
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[Murray] chrisaldrich++ thanks for finding that on the Wiki :thumbsup:
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[snarfed] TIL lots of existing domains with emoji chars are technically invalid 🙁 https://github.com/psf/requests/issues/3687
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[snarfed] including https://🕸.ws !
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Loqi [nlevitt] #3687 because of idna2008 enforcement some real urls that work in the browser are now broken
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[schmarty] 😲
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[schmarty] I don't understand what changed
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[snarfed] IDNA2003 to IDNA2008, evidently. https://unicode.org/faq/idn.html#6
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[schmarty] I haven't had enough coffee yet but it sounds like the main change was handling of 4 Unicode chars that aren't part of https://🕸.ws/ 🤔
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[snarfed] more than that, evidently. from that unicode.org link ^, “It disallows about eight thousand characters that used to be valid”
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[snarfed] oof sorry [cleverdevil] https://🐷.ws too
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[snarfed] having said all that, i have no idea what will actually happen to these domains. they may stay registered and serving and never break. i just know i can’t `requests.get()` them in Python 😠
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[schmarty] I see the sentence that you're referring to. Is the actual list somewhere?
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[snarfed] good q, got me
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[schmarty] Ah you are testing with requests!!
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[snarfed] yeah, discovered via a bridgy bug trying to backfeed to https://todayinmarch2020.🦈.ws/
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[snarfed] unrelated, aaronpk is the IRC Slack bridgy maybe unhappy with emoji in URLs? the three above ^ aren’t right in the logs: https://chat.indieweb.org/2021-05-08
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[snarfed] (er bridge 😆)
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aaronpk slack is being weird with URLs right now. they changed something in the API
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[snarfed] k
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petermolnar I might be the minority, but I never liked emoji urls, so I'm not going to lament their becoming broken.
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petermolnar however... isn't this another + towards .onions v2 vs v3 doesn't mean a problem? Apparently domains can now break because of ruleset changes.
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[snarfed] we don’t know that they’ll actually break
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[snarfed] also i’d lean the other way and say breaking existing domains that are registered and in use would _also_ be a problem, not that it’s ok and therefore .onion v3 breakage is also ok
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petermolnar OK? no, but accepted yes: I'm still saying that whilve onion v2 -> v3 breaks v2, there are enough "real" domain breakages that if one can be accepted, the other should be as well.
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[KevinMarks] The odd link breaking is different from the whole system http://epeus.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-antifragility-of-web.html
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jjuran IMHO, using Unicode in hostnames is inviting trouble
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[snarfed] maybe so, but they’re out there now, they’re functioning parts of the internet. it’s on us as (responsible) developers to make a reasonable effort to support them
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petermolnar well, from another perspective, developers' responsibility is to follow standards
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[snarfed] definitely a factor too. you get to weigh that against occasional deliberate noncompliance that serves users better
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[snarfed] in this case, when registrars and TLDs are handing out these domains, and all major browsers support them, it seems like a straightforward answer for me/us to support them too
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sknebel if it's idna2008 (accepted in 2010) blocking those, they starting giving out those domains 6 years after the standards change to not allow them? *sigh*
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[snarfed] 🤷
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sknebel ah, and .ws is of course a ccTLD, and thus less bound by ICANN rules
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sknebel gTLDs are required to follow IDNA2008, ccTLDs arent
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[snarfed] sknebel++ ah useful to know
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sknebel but agreed on the "it exists in practice, so it probably should be supported"
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