#indieweb 2021-05-20

2021-05-20 UTC
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GWG 5?
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[chrisaldrich] I thought it all went to the IRC server/reader? 😉
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cambridgeport90 Think it depends.
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[chrisaldrich] I have been reading a lot of import/export articles lately and it's pretty rare that any of them are one button "simple" solutions. Almost all of them are scary looking and typically talk about how the person custom modified someone else's code, so the first thing I usually look for is what that overhead looks like.
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aaronpk that's for reading, not organizing/collating :)
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GWG aaronpk: I'll have to ask for that list someday. I'm always curious
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[chrisaldrich] This website dedicated to /play and games popped up on my radar. Maybe something fun for GWG? https://whatsericplaying.com/
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I need to post some new play photos now that my gamemates are back in town
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BinyaminGreen[m] Do any of you keep a roadmap for your website, or a feature backlog?
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aaronpk I wouldn't call mine a roadmap, but I do have a collection of things I would like to add next, sometimes it is prioritized
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aaronpk Also many people use the wiki user pages here to keep notes too
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BinyaminGreen[m] I have a roadmap page on my site, in the spirit of working in public. It's really messy though. I wish it had a better structure. https://binyam.in/roadmap
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Loqi Binyamin Aron Green
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jacky BinyaminGreen[m]: I'm trying to do the same!
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jacky https://jacky.wtf/in-the-open/
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jacky more like "this is what I've done so far"
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BinyaminGreen[m] jacky: I like the look of that timeline! Do you have any system for prioritizing stuff?
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jacky it's done locally in this app https://planner-todo.web.app/
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jacky so it's not public
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BinyaminGreen[m] Gotcha. It's good to keep some things private. Do you give yourself deadlines, or work in sprints, etc.?
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jacky not really
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jacky like maybe if I made some money off it would I do something like that
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jacky but even then lol
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jacky what's the interest in such a planning system? BinyaminGreen[m]
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jacky looking to model it for your site?
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KartikPrabhu what is itch?
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KartikPrabhu https://indieweb.org/itches
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rMdes What's going to happen about the indeiweb irc channels on freenode, regarding this : https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409/
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[chee] rMdes: there's discussion about this in #indieweb-chat and #indieweb-meta
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rMdes [chee] thanks going to read the log
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[chee] :)
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[tantek] re: "roadmap for your website, or a feature backlog", BinyaminGreen[m], I've been tracking mine on my project page for the majority component of my website: https://indieweb.org/Falcon#Working_On
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[tantek] it may quickly become more of a #indieweb-dev conversation tbh
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network_operatio Remember Bitcoin in 2008??? Pi is a new digital currency developed by Stanford PhDs, To claim your piece of pi goto https://minepi.com and use "ilkde" as your invitation code. Get your piece of the pi now !
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barnabywalters spam
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barnabywalters do we have something like a !spam command?
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gRegorLove !kick network_operatio
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barnabywalters gRegorLove++ good to know
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Loqi gRegorLove has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (25 in all channels)
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gRegorLove couldn't remember, found it on /Loqi
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gRegorLove gives Loqi some spam
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Loqi throws the spam
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eris Remember Bitcoin in 2008??? Pi is a new digital currency developed by Stanford PhDs, To claim your piece of pi goto https://minepi.com and use "ilkde" as your invitation code. Get your piece of the pi now
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barnabywalters !kick eris
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vilhalmer is that authed by /chat-names?
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barnabywalters yep
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barnabywalters https://indieweb.org/Loqi#Anti-Spam
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barnabywalters what is pillowfort?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pillowfort" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "pillowfort is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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barnabywalters pillowfort is https://www.pillowfort.social/
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Interesting, is it indieweb friendly, barnabywalters? Any experience with it?
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barnabywalters no idea, just saw it mentioned on twitter
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barnabywalters and wondered if it was something which had popped up and already been documented in my absence
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[aciccarello] Seems kinda tumblr-like
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[aciccarello] Interesting
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[aciccarello] "Joining Pillowfort is easy! For a one-time $5 registration fee you will gain access to our open beta.
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[aciccarello] Pillowfort is committed to keeping our user-experience a priority and not being beholden to outside interests. That is why we chose to be a primarily user-funded platform without any financial assistance from investors or venture capital funding."
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[aciccarello] This one-time fee helps us pay our expenses such as server costs and compensating our development & support team while we develop our long-term business plan. Registration will be free once we exit open beta.
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barnabywalters charging early adopters for registration which will (allegedly) be free in the future is an interesting inversion of the usual early adopter discount
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[girrodocus] Someone wrote about pillowfort here: https://kiriska.com/blog/2021/social-media-isnt-going-to-save-you-from-social-media/
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barnabywalters oh indieweb gets a mention there too
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barnabywalters not a very flattering one, but honest and realistic
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barnabywalters [girrodocus]: that’s a well-written article, do we link to that article on the wiki already or did you find it elsewhere?
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jacky > No matter the barriers we tear down, it will always be easier to just install some app made by a centralised platform.
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jacky oof
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jacky like I kinda guess
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jacky I'd say it's even easier to run app of a CD but my laptop nor my PC has one anymore :P
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[chee] this event seems relevant to my question yesterday:) https://events.indieweb.org/2021/06/june-indieweb-popup-event-very-sensitive-data-on-your-personal-website-DNjCEi05jHfH
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barnabywalters from dev -> “io domain does not host any form of sexual content.” huh, I did not know that
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barnabywalters definitely worth documenting
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[chee] > It’s hard to imagine teenagers making the effort to find websites and blogs through a browser when mobile apps are so much easier to install. Many people simply don’t use computers or laptops outside school or work, and many people basically never interact with the Internet at large through their phone’s browser — their _entire_ Internet experience is through social media apps. Indie sites can’t complete with that. And what good is hostin
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[chee] controlling your own content if no one else looks at it?
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[chee] i find this to be a weird point, because... the era they are comparing it to was also a relatively small group of people
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[chee] back when i was making my site on geocities for me and my friends, it was fun and cool even if it was only us
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[chee] that doesn't stop being fun just because the people who weren't on-line are now on-line but on facebook
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barnabywalters yeah, and indieweb has included bridges to silos from the very beginning
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[chee] right
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jacky yeah I think people tend to lean into the "need to replace" systems when it's an acceptance of the systems that exist and/or a want to just do what you want outside of things but still have some social functions
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[chee] one of the coolest things about indieweb is how it turns social networks into nodes on a larger network
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barnabywalters although I think there’s a trend towards it being harder to POSSE content to other closed networks
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barnabywalters huh, I had assumed that I could use tiktok as an example, but it turns out they do have an API! anyone here POSSE their indieweb content to tiktok? :P
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barnabywalters what is tiktok
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Loqi TikTok is a video sharing app similar to Vine, where users create and share short videos, often set to music https://indieweb.org/TikTok
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jacky not to my knowledge (yet)
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jacky maybe I will if I go on that full prosumer lifestyle lol
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[tantek] that quote is major 🙄
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[tantek] like "their _entire_ Internet experience is through social media apps" so what? that's why we POSSE and link back to the originals, to give people paths to escape the silos
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[tantek] or maybe that quote "their _entire_ Internet experience is through social media apps" *is* good incentive for various POSSE+original-permalink-resistant folks to actually start adopting that more
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barnabywalters unfortunately, that person was intimidated by our getting started page and apparently didn’t get far enough to read about POSSE
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[tantek] huh? link?
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barnabywalters https://kiriska.com/blog/2021/social-media-isnt-going-to-save-you-from-social-media/
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[tantek] they're right about weird jargon with example selfdogfood, glad we're fixing that!
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barnabywalters I excerpted the relevant quote at https://indieweb.org/criticism, feel free to add analysis there
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[tantek] also why we have Loqi aggressively bump folks out of this channel barnabywalters, remember you were asking / semi-whining?
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barnabywalters yes yes I know, we discussed it already
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barnabywalters as I said, I agree with it in principle
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[tantek] yeah that quote needs the in-text hyperlinks to really be processable
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[tantek] otherwise it's too abstract to argue with
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barnabywalters feel free to add them
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[girrodocus] @barnabywalters I’m not sure where I found the link to that article but I suspect it was one of the indieweb IRC channels a week or so ago.
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[tantek] I mean I think it's less useful having the quote there for anyone to try to process than nothing, without the hyperlinks. so given a choice I'd likely just cut it myself
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[tantek] or maybe move it to /jargon as a citation of why it matters to distinguish jargon
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[tantek] because that criticism is correct! (of jargon)
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barnabywalters I just dumped it there for reference, as the post was long and I wanted to single out the indieweb-specific part
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barnabywalters other than that I have no strong opinions about what to do with it, so feel free to move it wherever is most suitable
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barnabywalters [tantek] aaronpk etc (re discussion in -meta): I stubbed this user-focused section on /personal-domain about choosing a domain, linked to /TLD. interested in feedback and improvements! https://indieweb.org/personal-domain#Choosing_a_personal_domain
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[tantek] that's a fine stub
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