2021-06-04 UTC
# 00:22 [schmarty] mikeputnam: an interesting idea. and like a topic that is going to be heavy on developer terminology. can we continue it in #indieweb-dev? rrix, alex11, Moosadee, KartikPrabhu, [tantek] and [capjamesg] joined the channel
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# 09:11 james How do you join #chat / #dev from IRC? Or am I just missing something obvious? james joined the channel
# 09:18 james Amazing! I found the /discuss page on the wiki which has been v. useful. barnaby, qa6, gRegorLove, bneils-ghost, [Murray] and shoesNsocks joined the channel
# 12:58 capjamesg What's the sentiment on publishing one's blog source code publicly? # 12:58 capjamesg I am thinking about doing this but I don't know how many people find such code useful :) # 13:00 barnaby many of us decided to open-source small, reusable components from our personal sites rather than the entire codebase # 13:01 barnaby because people will usually want to do things their own way anyway, rather than take someone else’s opinionated code and work with it chenghiz_ joined the channel
# 13:02 barnaby also, packaging software for release, managing updates, plugin frameworks etc is a huge amount of work # 13:05 capjamesg Yeah. I sometimes talk about how my site works anyway. And I suppose if people have questions, they can ask them. # 13:09 barnaby wow I can’t imagine paying 130$ a month for a personal site # 13:09 capjamesg You read my mind barnaby. I was just about to paste that sentence! # 13:10 capjamesg Could be done at less than 1/10th of the price if hosted on a DO server w/ a bit more architecting. # 13:10 aaronpk Wow I don't know how I could even try to spend that much # 13:10 barnaby well I guess it covers the mailing list too, but sending emails doesn’t usually cost much # 13:10 [Murray] yeah, though I imagine he gets a fair wack of users 😄 # 13:10 aaronpk email deliverability is no joke but still should be well under that # 13:12 capjamesg Talking about specific components is probably more actionable than open-sourcing the site. # 13:12 barnaby yeah, especially the one about people forking personal blogs but not changing all the personal information :0 # 13:12 Loqi capjamesg, barnaby: it looks like this conversation is getting pretty technical (serverless, forking), can you take it to #indieweb-dev? # 13:12 capjamesg Excellent point here from Josh: "if you were to peruse the code, you'd have to fill in that context, and it could lead to problems." # 13:13 barnaby although there’s still a distinction to make between open-sourcing your entire blog, and open-sourcing your blogging software sans content # 13:13 [Murray] I've heard of worse cases than the ones he highlights, too, where people haven't just ripped site design but content as well 😡 # 13:13 barnaby some of his arguments apply to both, but mostly to the former # 13:13 [Murray] ^ that distinction is harder to tell on a Jamstack site # 13:14 capjamesg Yep. But to be honest I can't be bothered w/ all that - separating content into another repo / source. # 13:14 capjamesg My posts are in _posts on Jekyll. That architecture is easy for me to understand :) # 13:14 [Murray] I use a CMS, so the seperation is a requirement, but yeah if you aren't doing that it becomes trickier # 13:14 barnaby I’ve recently been mulling over how to release my personal site software for others to use # 13:15 capjamesg I actually built a theme last year. I haven't maintained it. It's really basic. Not sure if it works. But I liked the idea at the time. # 13:15 capjamesg It's easier for something like Jekyll that supports themes. # 13:15 sknebel open-sourceing and turning into something supported thats useful out of the box are also two different things # 13:16 Loqi [capjamesg] no-cruft-jekyll: A Jekyll theme with little cruft or bloat. Based on my personal blog. # 13:16 capjamesg The thing about creating a theme is that the theme may also need maintenance. # 13:16 sknebel and nothing wrong with doing the former without doing the latter, as long as you dont pretend otherwise # 13:16 capjamesg My theme has not grown with my blog because I forgot about it, really. # 13:17 capjamesg After all this, I'm probably going to stick with my strategy from the past: write about interesting stuff, leave the code private. # 13:17 sknebel (not so much for my site, but for other things I've found plenty use for random code other people published) # 13:17 aaronpk I just made a git repo out of the folder that stores my posts so it's managed separately from the code of my blog because I liked that separation even just for myself # 13:17 barnaby I much prefer to test, maintain and support small components which other people can use, compared to an entire application # 13:17 capjamesg Murray. Food joke: depends how good you are at cooking :D # 13:19 sknebel (although pure codedumps also can have caveats, e.g. I won't open my auth-related experiments because people might think they are more trusthworthy than they are...) [KevinMarks] joined the channel
# 14:05 barnaby !tell jackjamieson nice dissertation about the indieweb community! jfyi many of the links are broken, e.g. indieweb.org linking to https://dissertation.jackjamieson.net/indieweb.org. Also apologies if I was one of the inactive people you reached out to without a response, if so it definitely wasn’t intentional! # 14:05 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next [kimberlyhirsh], raghavgururajan, james, bneils-ghost, [Murray], [tantek], calebjasik, nekr0z, reed, Abhas[m], batkin[m], LaBcasse[m], gRegor and dianoetic joined the channel
# 17:13 reed dianoetic: Element 🙂 unless you have an IRC bouncer already [fluffy], [schmarty] and bneils-ghost joined the channel
# 17:44 GWG dianoetic: I think aaronpk uses the same thing I use on Android. Weechat + Glowing Bear. Glowing Bear is a web app, so it'll work anywhere [jacky], bneils-ghost and [KevinMarks] joined the channel
# 18:43 [tantek] really disliked the slowness and UI awkwardness of Element. I use the Slack iOS client bneils-ghost and dianoetic joined the channel
# 19:28 dianoetic tantek: Yeah, same experience here. Sigh. Looks like Slack’s easiest... rrix, bneils-ghost, KartikPrabhu, jjuran, [schmarty], barnaby, [tantek] and [fluffy] joined the channel
# 22:42 vilhalmer someone should write an irc client that outclasses slack's ui # 22:42 vilhalmer (on top of the baseline hard of writing a ui for anything) # 22:44 vilhalmer slack for ios recently lost the two finger swipe to return to previous conversation which made me really sad # 22:46 vilhalmer it forces me back into channels I've left on my bouncer though # 22:48 vilhalmer can you still write ios software in objective-c? I still miss it… :) [Murray] and [KevinMarks] joined the channel
mikeputnam i wonder if https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5785 aka the /.well_known/ convention on the web server, would be suited for webmentions on static sites?
[schmarty] mikeputnam: an interesting idea. and like a topic that is going to be heavy on developer terminology. can we continue it in #indieweb-dev?
[capjamesg] [tantek] That's a good way of putting it.
[Murray] I think Josh Comeau does a really good job of weighing some of the pros/cons: https://www.joshwcomeau.com/blog/why-my-blog-is-closed-source/
barnaby !tell jackjamieson nice dissertation about the indieweb community! jfyi many of the links are broken, e.g. indieweb.org linking to https://dissertation.jackjamieson.net/indieweb.org. Also apologies if I was one of the inactive people you reached out to without a response, if so it definitely wasn’t intentional!
[KevinMarks] I think aaron's web ui is pretty good chat.indieweb.org