#indieweb 2021-06-30

2021-06-30 UTC
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petermolnar a, there is a way to turn this around either by making digital-only things physical in a way (dedicated devices, prints, etc) or by teaching them to value digital-only
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petermolnar A few days ago I mentioned in -chat that a community website I was part of that had been suspended in time (read-only) for 9 years got deleted two months ago. This kept me thinking about other sites I know that got deleted, like a friend of mine and his photography site.
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petermolnar Unlike the site, he never throw his prints away, which made me go back to the thought that people don't seem to value digital-only things, even if they are their own. I wonder if:
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petermolnar I know this is a bit offtopic, but not that much.
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petermolnar b, if this applies to younger generations who already has many of their "valuables" in a digital only way from the beginning
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sknebel I think there is a thing that people are still kind of bad at keeping backups (from what I see thats not gotten better in younger generations, rather even more lives in chatlogs of services etc that's not usually/easily exported
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sknebel (for sites theres of course keeping the data vs keeping the site online too)
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[Murray] A lot of what happens online is ephemeral as well (like chat logs) and aren't intended to be kept. I think ongoing cost is another big issue; it doesn't cost me anything extra to store stuff IRL that I want to keep, but online that's not always the same.
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petermolnar I think that is not the same; yes, some things, IRL or online, are ephemeral, but look back to my example: many treat an onine portfolio as throwaway, but nearly nobody treats a physical photobook/portfolio the same way.
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1410209066673184770?s=20
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@kevinmarks Irony: @zittrain's article on the ephemerality of links somehow disables scrolling on Chrome Mac, so I can only read it by munging an archived copy https://mention.tech/getfromarchive?url=https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2021/06/the-internet-is-a-collective-hallucination/619320/ (twitter.com/_/status/1410209066673184770)
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[Murray] petermolnar: maybe, most people I know keep the actual _work_ just as much for digital stuff than they do for physical 🤷‍♂️ For instance, I don't have any of my hand-written university notes any more, but I held onto the digital files. I know a few friends who did the same. Perhaps its more matching the medium to the content?
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[tantek] What is longevity?
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Loqi Longevity is the goal of keeping your data as future-friendly and future-proof as possible; it is one of the indieweb principles https://indieweb.org/longevity
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[tantek] petermolnar, I think “your data/content” whether physical or digital is absolutely on topic. There’s overlap as well, when we consider the physical longevity of things used to backup / keep copies of digital things
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[tantek] Worth adding some of those thoughts to /longevity#Brainstorming IMO
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[tantek] On another topic, this is a fascinating interview with a content curator at Instagram itself: https://milkkarten.substack.com/p/mentalhealth CW: discussion of racist violence
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[tantek] Touches on a lot about social media obviously but many of the concerns also apply to posting on our own sites.
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[tantek] There’s a bit about “worrying how a post is doing” that made me wonder if that’s a potential criticism of keeping/reviewing /analytics on your posts etc
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barnaby anyone ever seen forums adding automated randomly selected friendly reminder messages to conversations? noticed it here, first every 8 messages, then every 16 https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/282/tenebrae-best-ways-to-make-the-strepitus/p1
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sknebel nope, only seen that with ads ...
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barnaby heh
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barnaby I doubt ads would ramp down the frequency as the conversation progresses
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sknebel maybe it should do every X time. if there's a dozen messags in half an hour, a reminder is likely more necesary :D
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sknebel flamewar mitigation
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aaronpk I just remembered that all my instagram photos pre-ownyourgram are also on flickr! that means I didn't lose them all when I lost my instagram account!
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aaronpk but they're all so old that i am not sure i want to post them publicly 🙈
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capjamesg tantek I don't track analytics on my blog for that reason re: seeing progress / how things are doing. I put out blog posts and that's it. Sometimes people chat to me about them. Sometimes I share a post with someone else. But no stats.
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[tw2113_Slack_] aaronpk, share those 90s stylish photos of yourself.
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[aciccarello] I use cloudflaire's free analytics mostly to see referrer traffic, but it only stores a short period of time (I think a month). It's a good balance of what's going on without being too detailed.
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[aciccarello] That said i get minimal traffic so there's not much to look at 😆
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[chrisaldrich] barnaby, I've seen the "discobot" in the Discourse fora software welcome people into chat. It will also put up notifications to tell readers things like "Frances has been away for x months, be sure to welcome them back". They also automate badges for users to encourage interaction.
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[chrisaldrich] And we shouldn't forget Loqi++
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Loqi Loqi has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (21 in all channels)
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barnaby ah true, I’ve seen similar things in discourse
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[chrisaldrich] Not a traditional forum, but there are some Twitter bots that can inject kindness into your stream. Example: https://twitter.com/tinycarebot
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aaronpk also: https://twitter.com/hourlykitten
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[chrisaldrich] what are bots?
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Loqi robots are automated scripts that crawl, search, or perform requests for information https://indieweb.org/bots
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barnaby I actually have a similar one myself, not automated or particularly active but I try to post something there at least once a week Regarding scientific names given to odonates: “some defy understanding. In particular, Hermann Hagen applied unusual names to many of his species, and to our knowledge his allusions were never revealed; some of them seem to indicate a rather peculiar mindset.”
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barnaby oops wrong paste, sorry
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barnaby https://twitter.com/justwildhamster
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sknebel hah
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sknebel oh, hourly X bot with own content, nice
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sknebel well, not hourly
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barnaby not even a bot, I post there manually. I was considering setting my site up to automatically POSSE anything I tag with #hamsters there
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sknebel good idea
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maxwelljoslyn GWG and others , something came up and I can’t host n attend
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maxwelljoslyn HWC America’s tonight- looking for alternate host
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maxwelljoslyn angelo tantek gRegorlove ; person pings
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GWG if need be, I'll do it
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petermolnar re analytics I still use awstats.
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