#indieweb 2021-07-01

2021-07-01 UTC
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bneil re analytics im using cloudflares and have had a similiar experience as aciccarello. Cloudflare doesn't break down individual page views (at least for the free version). So ive also got clicky.com going which can give those insights.
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[tantek] aaronpk, would you consider making those old photos “signed-in” viewable? E.g. visible to anyone who has signed in with IndieAuth
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[tantek] on another note, since that was somewhat related to persistence / owning your content or links...
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[tantek] longevity << thread about link rot & squat: https://twitter.com/zittrain/status/1395750908349325315
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@zittrain With the help of the ace @nytimes digital team, we compiled a list of ~2.2 million externally-facing hyperlinks that had been used in http://nytimes.com articles since its launch in 1996. The goal was to discern how many of them had fallen victim to linkrot or content drift. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E16zyAkWYAEKZc9.png (twitter.com/_/status/1395750908349325315)
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Loqi ok, I added "thread about link rot & squat: https://twitter.com/zittrain/status/1395750908349325315" to the "See Also" section of /longevity https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=76246&oldid=75976
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aaronpk yes i would consider it
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aaronpk right now i don't have a way to do that though
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[tantek] Do we have even have a good name for that kind of broad audience?
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[tantek] It’s not an allowlist because there is no list
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[tantek] I feel like some folks here already show more on their homepage or profile/about or more posts to folks that are signed in
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[tantek] Eg maybe Zegnat? Like his h-card shows more info if you’re signed in? Or maybe I’m imagining that
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[snarfed] there’s some silo precedent for this, allowing “any logged in user”
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GWG [tantek]: Zegnat wanted to do that for a ticket auth test
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[tantek] Snarfed, yeah that sounds familiar
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[tantek] I suppose we have:
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[tantek] What is a login wall
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Loqi login wall (AKA authwall or auth wall) is a UI antipattern used by some silos like Medium to prompt returning users with a login UI, sometimes after some number of viewed pages, that blocks viewing or using the site until the user has logged in https://indieweb.org/login_wall
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[tantek] Does that sound like the same thing? Or should we have something distinct for an “IndieAuth wall”?
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[tantek] Though I’d prefer to frame it positively, focusing on what it enables, rather than as a limitation / barrier / who is blocked
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[snarfed] seems like the same thing
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[jacky] looks like no one mentioned the Twitter Close Friends function yet
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[jacky] https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/1/22558731/twitter-trusted-friends-facets-features-pre-announce
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[jacky] was looking for the link again lol
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[jacky] also randomly learned that most libraries give you gifted access to the NYT!
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[jacky] also some interesting UX on how to help compose more 'friendly' replies https://twitter.com/a_dsgnr/status/1410690519710060544
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@a_dsgnr Here’s how it’d work: • Authors choose the phrases they prefer not to see • These phrases are highlighted as ppl write replies; ppl can learn why, or ignore the guidance • Authors can enable automatic actions, like moving violating replies to the bottom of the convo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5PHjSmVEAEEQOI.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1410690519710060544)
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[jacky] I think the second tweet about having people say "this is what I don't want to see in my replies" and then the reader understanding that to then surface these hints is a interesting thing
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[jacky] I don't know how to wrangle that into the IndieWeb world but we kind of tell people our 'preferences' already by the information we markup on our sites
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[tantek] that's a whole lot of defensive labor, feels like the wrong place to put the work
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[tantek] even the cognitive load/labor of having to come up with "what I don't want to see in my replies" makes me go ugh
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[jacky] that could be primed from one's past content tbh
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[tantek] seeded from past reported content maybe
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[jacky] yup! and like if you have a blocklist already, it could look at engagement it had with you in the past that's publicly available (that's a big IF tbh) or engagement you have stored still (I wonder if the Twitter export would show this) and go from there
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[tantek] I mean I'm likely going to have to write up a bunch of filters for stuff like this for my years of backqueued webmentions via Bridgy backfeed from Twitter anyway
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[tantek] though that's more of a dev chat
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