#indieweb 2021-08-19

2021-08-19 UTC
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[tantek] that's too real
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ballpointcarrot[ Probably for aaronpk : since indielogin.com is meant to eventually take over for indieauth.com, is there plans to move the token server as well?
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aaronpk Yes but it's complicated
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GWG aaronpk: I'd like to hear about it
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GWG I'm always interested in complicated
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ballpointcarrot[ I'm just trying to gauge the benefits/negatives of rolling my own tokens
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[tantek] what is clubhouse
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Loqi Clubhouse is a social network for momentary audio only IRC-style rooms/channels https://indieweb.org/Clubhouse
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[tantek] Clubhouse << Criticism: use Clubhouse or know someone that does? Congrats your phone number is on the Dark Web: https://twitter.com/mruef/status/1418693478574346242
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@mruef Full phone number database of #Clubhouse is up for sale on the #Darknet. It contains 3.8 billion phone numbers. These are not just members but also people in contact lists that were synced. Chances are high that you are listed even if you haven't had a Clubhouse login. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7A1k3tXoAUKXXS.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1418693478574346242)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: use Clubhouse or know someone that does? Congrats your phone number is on the Dark Web: https://twitter.com/mruef/status/1418693478574346242" to the "See Also" section of /Clubhouse https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=76660&oldid=75337
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GWG [tantek]: I brought up the /photo page at HWC last night
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[tantek] any good suggestions?
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GWG I questioned if your note with photo is a really long note, should it be classified as a photo post or not. But I suppose that is a personal choice
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GWG No one but myself puts an optional specific photo title in addition to a caption that I could find
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GWG I also forgot to ask about how you might link to a photo post...I have my This Week menu in the sidebar
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GWG Maybe I need a separate Photo This Week
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[tantek] GWG, which note/photo post do you mean?
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GWG [tantek]: Most of them, you write very long notes in your photo posts
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GWG I always thought if it's a photo post, the text would be minimal
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[tantek] GWG, I used to do that on some of my Flickr photo posts too, long captions, before I started publishing photo posts to my own site
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[tantek] maybe this is also a criticism of the need to "classify" in the first place
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[tantek] why does it matter (what's the impact on UX) if a photo has a long note or a long note has a photo?
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[tantek] I used to have a photo grid in my sidebar but I don't know when/why it broke
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GWG Well, in an archive view, many people display photos in a grid, where you can't see the long note
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GWG So, it's a question of how important the text is
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GWG I'm classifying whether you lose context without the note
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GWG I should look at photo grid in sidebar as an option
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Loqi yea!
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[tantek] I think it's ok if such summary views like grids only tell part of the story of posts
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[tantek] it could be interesting to figure out a way to provide an affordance on photo thumbnails when it appears there's a "longer story" in the caption/text accompanying a photo
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GWG Affordance? Not familiar with the term
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GWG Gives me some ideas to explore
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[tantek] that way when viewing a grid, it could be more obvious when particular photos have more of a backstory or not
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GWG [tantek]: I think aaronpk has text that appears when you hover on a photo.
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[tantek] GWG, imagine a small text icon overlaid on top of a photo thumbnail if that photo post happened to have "a lot" of text ("a lot" is probably per-person specific, you'd want to tune it so some but not all, maybe not even most photos had the icon, otherwise it looks like noise)
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GWG I'll have to play with that.
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[tantek] GWG, have you seen the multiphoto affordance in IG grids?
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[tantek] that's another example
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GWG [tantek]: No, not on there much
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[tantek] let me see if we captured an example somewhere
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[schmarty] My photos page has a little indicator that there are multiple photos in a post: https://martymcgui.re/photos/
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[schmarty] (Also lol apparently my photos page has my list of upcoming events?? What in the template leaking world...)
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[schmarty] Ahahaha oh I should have clicked through. That is photo post of a screenshot of my homepage. 🙈
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Loqi rofl
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sknebel lol
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[tantek] [schmarty] maybe a little indicator for screenshots would help?
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[tantek] GWG, fortunately the IG example on /photo_grid actually has a couple of icons/affordances! See the analysis I added at the bottom of this section: https://indieweb.org/photo_grid#Instagram
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[schmarty] Reminds me of a year in college where I refused to put a password on my desktop but also didn't like my roommates using it, so I made the background a screenshot of the desktop before hiding all the icons and start menu. 😂
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aaronpk this is more #indieweb-dev but I want a way for my site to detect whether something is a screenshot or a photo in order to categorize them better. i don't like screenshots showing up in my photo grid
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GWG How would you do that?
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aaronpk right now i manually take them out of the photo grid
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GWG Anyone thought of doing automatic tagging like some photo software does? Such as all the photos with trees in them?
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sknebel aaronpk: do you use a specific shortcut etc to upload screenshots? maybe lack of exif?
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[tantek] GWG, willing to bet you could do some color palette analysis and screenshots would look very different from photos (except maybe a screenshot of a desktop with photo background 😛 )
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[tantek] ok yeah sorry, that's definitely dev
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GWG Yes, I was keeping it high level in here
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[tantek] aaronpk, one simple trick: png vs jpg 😂
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[tantek] at a UI level, I do vaguely remember that Flickr took steps to NIPSA screenshots, without any need for the user to do anything (either publisher or viewer)
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aaronpk png vs jpg would probably get me 90% of the way there. i wonder why I am not doing that yet
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[tantek] I am good at coming up at with simple imperfect ideas ;)
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capjamesg[d] Quick question about photos: should all photos be marked up as u-photo or only the "featured" / "main" photo?
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GWG capjamesg[d]: May be a dev question, so will answer there
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[tantek] capjamesg[d] because it's a user experience thing, do you consider it a photo post or not?
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] No. The posts are just regular notes that may have multiple photos.
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[tantek] short answer is no, regular notes should not use plumbing to signal that they are something other than notes
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capjamesg[d] +1
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ap where can I find help with https://github.com/MaggieAppleton/digital-gardeners ?
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Loqi [MaggieAppleton] digital-gardeners: Resources, links, projects, and ideas for gardeners tending their digital notes on the public interwebs
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jacky maybe in the issue tracker?
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ap where's the issue tracker?
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jacky https://github.com/MaggieAppleton/digital-gardeners/issues
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[tantek] who's going to start an OnlyBans for people kicked off of OnlyFans?
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sennomo Somebody has already registered multiple onlybans domains, so maybe it's in the works.
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