#indieweb 2021-09-23
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[snarfed] Tim Bray's Bluesky contest entry (kind of): https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2021/09/19/Blueskid-demo
# [snarfed] "Blueskid is not an entry in the Satellite contest. First of all, I’m sort of a @bluesky insider and the idea is to bring in ideas from the community. Second, Satellite is looking for something with a focus on decentralization and radical innovation. Blueskid uses public-key and ledger technologies that, in the software-technology context, are as old as dirt. I offer Blueskid as a low bar that the Satellite offerings really ought to
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# edburns[d] I must depart now for another meeting.
# edburns[d] GWG: 👍
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capjamesg[d] I am sort of surprised at that post [snarfed].
# capjamesg[d] I prefer rel=me 😄
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[KevinMarks] Yes, Tim shorted bitcoin companies https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2021/06/26/Shorting-Bitcoin
# capjamesg[d] voxpelli Did you read anything interesting about recrawling?
# capjamesg[d] My sample size is small enough that I can technically recrawl every page in the index in three days.
# capjamesg[d] But I have no rules on when / how to recrawl.
# capjamesg[d] Maybe I need to have a "next crawl" value saved to a file and every day a cron job executes a script that reads that file and crawls any sites in it.
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Murray[d] capjamesg[d] I have zero technical understanding of these types of challenges, so this may be completely wide of the mark, but would feed readers be a potential source of inspiration? It feels like they would need to solve this problem to an extent: when to refresh a feed/check for updates? As you're (mainly) indexing Indieweb sites, could you even have a feature where a site triggered its own recrawl? (With frequency limits to stop abuse)
# capjamesg[d] It's funny you say that Murray...
# capjamesg[d] I wrote a feed polling script for my Microsub server.
# capjamesg[d] I was thinking about using that to discover new content.
# capjamesg[d] Someone more experienced in search than I should speak more to why a crawler should not "subscribe" to a feed.
# capjamesg[d] My polling script read mf2 and RSS/Atom and supported etag / last-modified for detecting changes.
# capjamesg[d] Sorry Loqi.
# capjamesg[d] To #dev.
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petermolnar for someone who lived through the web 2.0 craze and believed it will bring goodness, only to see the walled app world to emerge from it, I don't get good vibes from the term web 3.0.
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# Murray[d] Looks a little interesting for surfacing non-silo content from silos: https://www.feedsmage.com/
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# petermolnar web 3.0 and the year of the linux desktop
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[tantek] here you go, 2006 lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web#Web_3.0
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# [KevinMarks] SVG rippling and folding and looking misty
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# capjamesg[d] [tantek] Interesting.
# capjamesg[d] Well said by Berners-Lee.
# capjamesg[d] But it seems like a lot of modern apps have gone against the semantic web spirit.
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# capjamesg[d] Thanks for sharing tantek:
# capjamesg[d] I don’t know much about that period in web history.
# capjamesg[d] Your brief was is valued!
# capjamesg[d] I think microformats has done a good job of conveying the principle that you should use the minimum markup you need.
# capjamesg[d] And only mark up if you need to (in the vein of not adding unnecessary values, etc.).
# capjamesg[d] *is valued
# capjamesg[d] That is an example of my poor mobile typing.
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# capjamesg[d] tantek would love your feedback on IndieWeb search.
# capjamesg[d] I don’t understand either haha 🙂
# capjamesg[d] Oh I do now.
# capjamesg[d] I couldn’t think of what to put there.
# capjamesg[d] I’d happily replace that text 😄
# capjamesg[d] The goal was to convey, in a sentence or so, that you could peruse different sites made by IndieWeb community members.
# capjamesg[d] Indeed.
# capjamesg[d] Most sites are either from the wiki or the IndieMap crawl. Some have been taken from blogrolls of community members.
# capjamesg[d] I like that better.
# capjamesg[d] Good call tantek.
# capjamesg[d] tantek++
# capjamesg[d] Best guess? 🤣
# capjamesg[d] I like recent vs. oldest.
# capjamesg[d] It is. I wrote that with my engineer cap on.
# capjamesg[d] Technically results should be relevant.
# capjamesg[d] But indeed relevance is hard.
# capjamesg[d] Yeah haha.
# capjamesg[d] The ranking algorithm places heavy weights on text.
# capjamesg[d] Text should always win out over links.
# capjamesg[d] I can’t think of a good alternative to Relevance 😄
# capjamesg[d] How / when was your intent not met tantek. That’s really the big thing I want to optimize for.
# capjamesg[d] Now that the crawler has the features I need to counter some issues / logistics.
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# [tantek] capjames[g], first bug: needs better de-duping, see: https://indieweb-search.jamesg.blog/results?query=Mozilla&order=date_desc
# [tantek] regarding intent not met, these don't appear to be the "most" relevant results or even close? https://indieweb-search.jamesg.blog/results?query=Mozilla
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# [tantek] feature request: would it be possible to show "site" and "post" results in two separate side-by-side columns? perhaps underneath the cool "definition" box with dotted border? e.g.: https://indieweb-search.jamesg.blog/results?query=microformats
# [KevinMarks] if the content is marked up with microformats you could maybe make better SERPS to show post types
# [KevinMarks] here's a bug - you're linking to me with https, even though my site doesn't do https: https://indieweb-search.jamesg.blog/results?query=sparks
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