#indieweb 2021-10-05

2021-10-05 UTC
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capjamesg[d] What is reply context?
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Loqi A reply context is the display of what a reply post is in reply to, including linking to that original post with in-reply-to markup, showing some amount of that original post like author name, icon, summary / ellipsed content, and datetime published https://indieweb.org/reply-context
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@jessicaasims @JuiceboxCA @RebeccaComms It’s not about not building on borrowed lands. It’s using them but not being wholly reliant on them. They’re the F buddy of the internet. We should use them to get what we need but once one of us are out, it shouldn’t really matter. (twitter.com/_/status/1445293084183605250)
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[KevinMarks] This is a new metaphor for POSSE https://twitter.com/jessicaasims/status/1445293084183605250?s=20
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petermolnar that might be a bit harshly worded for some ocasions :D
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[tantek] Yeah that’s not really going to win you any friends
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[tantek] OTOH, missed this yesterday 😂 https://twitter.com/lapubliclibrary/status/1445110404904984580
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@LAPublicLibrary As an update, books are still working. http://lapl.org (twitter.com/_/status/1445110404904984580)
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petermolnar "Yeah that’s not really going to win you any friends" - what about friends with benefits? /me ducks
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[tantek] 🙄
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capjamesg[d] I'm curious to get UX feedback on IndieWeb Search. I remember Tantek said in a talk about the IndieWeb challenging the way things are with the web and I want to do the same with search.
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capjamesg[d] One thing I thought about was having an icon that links directly to feeds in the search engine so someone can easily subscribe to a site's feed.
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capjamesg[d] But maybe not such a good idea because some sites have multiple feeds for each page 🙂
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[tantek] capjamesg[d] re: challenging things. YES. And that includes the feed-centric "subscribe" assumption.
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[tantek] you should follow people, not feeds
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[tantek] and the closest thing we have to a person on the web is their home page. not "a feed of their home page", but literally their home page
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Loqi +1
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[tantek] this may include one or more feeds as *part of it*
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aaronpk haha even the robot agrees
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capjamesg[d] Love it Loqi!
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[tantek] 😄
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[tantek] aaronpk has heard this rant already 🙂
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capjamesg[d] I'd love to have some easy way to surface new home pages.
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capjamesg[d] I just have "random" right now which takes you to a random page in the index.
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capjamesg[d] Which serves a different intent.
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[KevinMarks] hm https://twitter.com/WillOremus/status/1445431486182723588?s=20
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@WillOremus This is a legitimately radical proposal in that it would essentially destroy social media as we know it. It would make our feeds crappy and boring, and either spam-ridden or overly sanitized or both. The question is: Have things gotten so bad that it's worth it? https://twitter.com/lizzadwoskin/status/1445424359158341635 (twitter.com/_/status/1445431486182723588)
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] I agree re: following feeds over people. Maybe I'll not add feed links as a feature.
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capjamesg[d] But I'm open to anything!
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capjamesg[d] One idea on my mind is how to move past the "10 blue links" approach. Is there another way to present results that might work?
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capjamesg[d] What IndieWeb "inspect" features would be useful?
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capjamesg[d] Side note, before I forget: I am opening up an endpoint on my webmention server that discovers a webmention endpoint URL per the spec. Same logic I use in my endpoint. If anyone has use for this API, let me know and I'll document it.
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[tantek] capjamesg[d] you could put author icons next to post & site links
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[tantek] (which of course link to their site)
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[tantek] again, person-centric UI over plumbing-centric (feeds)
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capjamesg[d] I like that.
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capjamesg[d] Implementation would take a bit of work but would be pretty simple.
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capjamesg[d] I wonder how I could emphasize home pages a bit more too.
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petermolnar "you should follow people, not feeds" - I still disagree. One should follow what they are interested in; it could be people, it could be topics.
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petermolnar (and following a person still smells cult :P)
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capjamesg[d] petermolnar that is a good point.
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capjamesg[d] Someone can follow a search result if they really want to 😂
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capjamesg[d] It’s a h-feed.
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capjamesg[d] micro.blog lets you discover by interest which I find fascinating.
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aaronpk the topic-oriented instagram profile is definitely a thing. I have now two separate instagram accounts so that I can follow totally different content in different contexts, and so that instagram recommends me similar accounts for each context
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aaronpk and in that case, I mostly only want to follow profiles that are consistent in the kinds of things they post, like if someone is always posting photos of their art, I don't want that to be mixed in with photos of their food
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aaronpk so i'm not really following them as a person, i'm following their art
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[tantek] aaronpk, sounds like you had to workaround IG's lack of a "lists" feature (e.g. what Twitter has)
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aaronpk sort of, but it's both ways
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aaronpk i *don't* want to follow everything someone might post
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[tantek] also, "mute" solves / can solve most of these "but I don't want to see" problems
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[tantek] twitter figured this out, which is why you can mute hashtags
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aaronpk i only want to follow *some things* a person posts
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[tantek] don't make this an "account" problem
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aaronpk but it is
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[tantek] no, that's a hammer everything looks like it could be a nail 😛
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aaronpk unless you can tell me how i can follow only someone's photos of their art when they also post photos of their food and other stuff
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aaronpk whether it's an account or a tag, it's specifically *not* following a person
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[tantek] I mean I'd like to follow [Jeremy_Keith]'s photos except mute the ones of meat
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aaronpk same tbh
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[tantek] (I vaguely recall someone else, maybe rhiaro? saying something similar)
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[tantek] or maybe it was you aaronpk that said it
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[tantek] nah I still think this is a refinement of what you want to see from a person
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[tantek] the person is still the focus
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[tantek] petermolnar, on the social web, everyone can be a cult leader for 15 followers 😉
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capjamesg[d] 😂
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[tantek] I like the general approach of being able to signal on individual posts "more like this" or "less like this"
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[tantek] and then maybe dialing that into hashtags to filter in/out per person
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[tantek] like yes I want to especially see [Jeremy_Keith]'s #indieweb photos, however not his #meat photos.
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petermolnar p-category combined with bayesian reader?
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petermolnar (This might be -dev territory)
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[tantek] yeah adding that b-word to jargon 😛
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capjamesg[d] Haha 😂
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capjamesg[d] I was just thinking that making search results a h-feed actually does something interesting for Microsub.
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capjamesg[d] You could subscribe to page 1 of a query and see all of the new top hits in your feed.
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capjamesg[d] The search engine doesn’t support WebSub though so you’d just have to wait for your feed reader to parse the feed on whatever cadence that happens.
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Loqi hey capjamesg[d], it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (Microsub, Microformats, parse, WebSub)
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capjamesg[d] I am so sorry Loqi.
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capjamesg[d] After all that talk about jargon I should have known better.
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capjamesg[d] Thoughts can continue in dev.
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[tantek] you knew that was coming lol
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capjamesg[d] My tired mind is kicking in.
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[KevinMarks] you could render the serps like reply contexts maybe
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capjamesg[d] Can you elaborate?
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[tantek] in #indieweb-dev please
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[tantek] gonna add that s-word too
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capjamesg[d] +1
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aaronpk on a non-developer topic... i'm thinking i need some part of my website to list other peoples' podcasts/videos i have been on
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aaronpk i have my "presentations" page for when *I* do a presentation somewhere, but I don't have a good list of all the times I have been a guest on someone else's livestream or podcast
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aaronpk anyone else have anything similar on their websites?
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[tantek] aaronpk, I used to have an "interviews" section somewhere on my wiki
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[tantek] other folks have lists of "appearances" or "talks given" as well
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[tantek] does your "presentations" page include when you've been on a panel? or where do you put those?
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aaronpk i haven't been on many panels but i believe i have included it on that page
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aaronpk i like "appearances" as the name for these though
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[KevinMarks] you could use huffduffer to collect them
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aaronpk i like to do things a bit more curated than that :)
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aaronpk also some are youtube videos
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aaronpk i suppose i could present these as reposts on my website
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[KevinMarks] Facebook << https://twitter.com/hondanhon/status/1445462425893965824?s=20
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@hondanhon "My God," whispered Dr. Sattler. "It's an apex content predator." Dr. Grant made a face. "Facebook." He said, grimly, translating for the audience. (twitter.com/_/status/1445462425893965824)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/hondanhon/status/1445462425893965824?s=20" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=77233&oldid=77214
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aaronpk well i think i like this: https://aaronparecki.com/appearances
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aaronpk i didn't even have to write any code to make that happen :)
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[snarfed] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (107 in all channels)
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[tantek] aaronpk, while I appreciate the "didn't have to write any code", in this case it's presentation looks so much like every other "stream of items" link on your page that it's a little hard to tell what's special about it?
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[tantek] like it could "just" be a tag page
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aaronpk i'm okay with that
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[tantek] not like this is any better (in many ways worse), but here's my historical "interviews" page which I obviously stopped updating a while ago https://tantek.com/w/TantekInterviews