#indieweb 2021-10-13

2021-10-13 UTC
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[tantek]
DeleteFacebook << WIRED on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CU6N7eLjNys/
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doosboox
Yay! Homebrew Website Club meeting tonight!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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doosboox
Oh, man I love Loqi
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doosboox
best bot ever
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Loqi
whatever
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capjamesg[d]
Indeed!
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capjamesg[d]
Loqi; you are just playing it cool 🙂
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capjamesg[d]
Indeed, it’s HWC day! I might attend. I’m not sure yet 🙂
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jeremycherfas
I had big plans to attend, as The Main Squeeze had an engagement, then she informed me that she had cancelled it. :(
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capjamesg[d]
Has anyone implemented any of the webmention extensions like vouch into a receiver?
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@carolecadwalla
This is interesting. Facebook used same tactic against whistleblower @szhang_ds that it used against @FBoversight. It got takedown notice issued on her website server. A trillion dollar monopolist with a pattern of behaviour intimidating critics & literally driving them off web https://twitter.com/donie/status/1447928850265092099
(twitter.com/_/status/1448187099933446149)
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capjamesg[d]
That is mad.
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capjamesg[d]
There is a scene in the tv show Silicon Valley where a billionaire gets all of the cloud platforms to refuse hosting to the startup.
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capjamesg[d]
That interview clip reminded me of the show.
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capjamesg[d]
When was the last discussion on this!
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Loqi
what
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capjamesg[d]
*?
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capjamesg[d]
I am just thinking that IndieWeb search could easily ingest any h-x-app microformats and aggregate this.
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capjamesg[d]
And have an “apps” view (like Google Images or Shopping or whatever; an alternate view) that listed them,
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capjamesg[d]
But this is moot if h-x-app is not published by many people.
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Loqi
friendly reminder capjamesg[d], can you move the tech talk (Microformats) to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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capjamesg[d]
Yep. Sorry.
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petermolnar
that sounds like a +1 for .onion addresses as backups in case the main domain goes down?
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[KevinMarks]
facebooks onion addresses died when their main routing went down too
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[schmarty]
KevinMarks: ooh that's interesting. this is more for dev obviously but i'd love to know how their onion service was set up. i bet it relied on DNS on the backend.
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capjamesg[d]
Facebook had onion addresses?
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[KevinMarks]
Alec Muffet set it up
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nekr0z
SciHub's .onion is down now, while .se is accessible via Tor. I always suspected something was wrong with those .onions...
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alex11
i think facebook has had tor support for a while
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hendursaga
alex11: they do, but it didn't help when their BGP stuff went down
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[chrisaldrich]
What is a setlist?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "setlist" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "setlist is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich]
What is a set list?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "set list" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "set list is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich]
What is music?
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Loqi
A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets) or podcast that you have listened to https://indieweb.org/music
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[chrisaldrich]
What is a setlist?
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Loqi
A setlist or set list is an ordered list of songs, jokes, stories and other elements an artist intends to present during a specific performance https://indieweb.org/setlist
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[chrisaldrich]
If folks have other examples they'd like to add ^^ or expand on the page. 🎶
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@neworder
Regret Age of Consent Restless Ultraviolence Ceremony Your Silent Face Tutti Frutti Be a Rebel Guilt Is a Useless Emotion Sub-culture Bizarre Love Triangle Vanishing Point Plastic True Faith Blue Monday Temptation Atmosphere Transmission Love Will Tear Us Apart #NewOrderHalifax https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-1FcsfXoAIfald.jpg
(twitter.com/_/status/1435880961464578048)
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capjamesg[d]
angelogladding I might hack away at a store view at some point. But I would need to think about structure in depth.
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capjamesg[d]
I would need a new elasticsearch store for apps that would be updated in recrawl.
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capjamesg[d]
Not a big blocker but I’ll have to whiteboard it.
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angelo
what is it called when you explicitly state the name of the editor/client you used to make the post alongside said post?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "it called when you explicitly state the name of the editor/client you used to make the post alongside said post" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "it called when you explicitly state the name of the editor/client you used to make the post alongside said post is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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angelo
i should have seen that coming
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aaronpk
What is giving credit
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Loqi
giving credit is a collection of cultural practices related to acknowledging and attributing text, hyperlinks, quotes, utterances to others, typically by name, as a way of recognizing their contribution(s) https://indieweb.org/giving-credit
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capjamesg[d]
Thanks! I hadn’t seen that page.
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capjamesg[d]
Do people markup their giving credit posts?
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capjamesg[d]
aaronpk?
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angelo
nice, i think it'd be interesting to put usage metrics alongside apps on some kind of /store
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aaronpk
There would need to be a clear consuming use case to justify markup
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Loqi
hey capjamesg[d] aaronpk: we try to keep dev talk (markup) out of this channel, can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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capjamesg[d]
I need to think about the logistics of that…
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aaronpk
true Loqi
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capjamesg[d]
Yep. To dev!
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[tantek]
what is using
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Loqi
using is the name of an authoring and/or publishing application, or can also be a page of tools and services that someone uses or likes to use https://indieweb.org/using
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[tantek]
angelo ^
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angelo
ah, that's a good word to capture it
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[tantek]
hmm, though that page seems to have been re-purposed for what are things you're using in general
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[tantek]
which I suppose is fine, that's a more user-centric rather than tool-centric definition that still fits
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capjamesg[d]
I think the using page is good for conveying the “life stack” way of thinking about “using” as a word.
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capjamesg[d]
I need to add an example to that page.
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capjamesg[d]
What is a life stack?
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Loqi
using is a page of tools and services that someone uses or likes to use, or can also refer to the name of an authoring and/or publishing application in the context of a post, though that secondary meaning is more precisely expressed as giving credit to applications https://indieweb.org/life-stack
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[tantek]
what is using
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Loqi
using is a page of tools and services that someone uses or likes to use, or can also refer to the name of an authoring and/or publishing application in the context of a post, though that secondary meaning is more precisely expressed as giving credit to applications https://indieweb.org/using
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[tantek]
ok better
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capjamesg[d]
[tantek]++
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Loqi
[tantek] has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (64 in all channels)
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capjamesg[d]
for the improved documentation / wiki gardening.
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[KevinMarks]
What is colophon?
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Loqi
A colophon is a page or section, like a footer, of a site that describes how the site is made, with what tools, supporting what technologies https://indieweb.org/colophon
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[KevinMarks]
The prior name for marking the tool up this is generator, don't know if we have that
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[KevinMarks]
What is generator?
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Loqi
giving credit is a collection of cultural practices related to acknowledging and attributing text, hyperlinks, quotes, utterances to others, typically by name, as a way of recognizing their contribution(s) https://indieweb.org/generator
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