#indieweb 2021-10-12
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astralbijection[ i'm secretary of my school'
# astralbijection[ s linux club and i'm currently doing some archival work
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Loqi An archival copy is a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time, that can be used as a reference if the original disappears or is temporarily unavailable https://indieweb.org/archival
# astralbijection[ we moved CMSes a few years ago but i guess they didn't import the old posts, so there's a bunch of history that's kind of gone
# astralbijection[ i looked, and there's some of it but not all of it
# astralbijection[ like there's javascript required for some parts so you can't see it
# astralbijection[ so now i'm emailing alums to see if they can give me a database dump of the old site
# astralbijection[ yeah
# astralbijection[ and a non-jargony way of discussing the database antipattern...
# astralbijection[ possibly
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "recovery" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "recovery is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# astralbijection[ there are a whole bunch of posts that are available as markdown on the jekyll site they had before
# astralbijection[ yeah that would be pretty cool
# astralbijection[ it's kinda funny how i've been reading about how different things make internet archival easier or harder (databases vs flat files, js vs no js), and now they're all happening here all at once
# astralbijection[ [tantek]: good idea, will do
# astralbijection[ this is why i've been making such an effort to store my website content as plain-text human-readable documents
# astralbijection[ like, even the parts that have tons of associated metadata are stored as standard formats of just ascii text
# astralbijection[ my website may be mildly bloated, but at least it's recoverable!
# astralbijection[ recovery is the process of regaining information that has been lost or degraded, restoring its quality, and republishing it in a more durable medium or channel.
# astralbijection[ that's probably a good-enough definition for now
# astralbijection[ what is recovery
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "recovery" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "recovery is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# astralbijection[ recovery is the process of regaining information that has been lost or degraded, restoring its quality, and republishing it in a more durable medium or channel.
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[KevinMarks] do we have the quote from ian there?
# astralbijection[ oh is there a better quote?
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# [KevinMarks] recovery << longevity
# Loqi ok, I added "[[longevity]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /recovery https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=77383&oldid=77382
# [KevinMarks] https://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-February/009517.html “I decided that for the sake of our future generations we should document exactly how to process today's documents, so that when they look back, they can still reimplement HTML browsers and get our data back, even if they no longer have access to Microsoft Internet Explorer's source code. ”
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Jeremiah[d] what is database antipattern
# Loqi The database antipattern is the false assumption that a database is the best option for primary long-term storage of posts and other personal content (like on an indieweb site) https://indieweb.org/database-antipattern
# astralbijection[ i'm sad, the 2002 version of the site had a link to irc quotes but they didn't get archived :(
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capjamesg[d] “Again, we have to compromise on perfection to actually address real-world needs and constraints.”
# capjamesg[d] From the article you linked [KevinMarks]. What a great read!
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# [KevinMarks] That post by Ian setting out the goals for HTML5, which were achieved, is very important. The combination of Firefox, HTML5 and Webkit really did save the web, and it's also why the web3 stuff is so annoying
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# raven-king hello
# capjamesg[d] Hello!
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@voretaq7 Dearest @Twitter, Is this real? Are you for real? If this is real it's actually stupider than the racist-ass "conversations like this can be intense" bullshit you were pulling on Black people yesterday. Can you just NOT? https://twitter.com/Purp_Amethyst/status/1447996693744603143 (twitter.com/_/status/1448006363465011212)
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