#indieweb 2021-10-15

2021-10-15 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Publ v0.7.4, Authl v0.6.0" https://publ.plaidweb.site/blog/897-Publ-v0-7-4-Authl-v0-6-0
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Announcing a Service for Creating an iCalendar feed for event RSVPs: rsvp-calendar.tanna.dev" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2021/10/15/rsvp-calendar/
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[snarfed] reminder, first Twitter Bluesky mtg is in 1h: https://twitter.com/bluesky_commons/status/1448725185704579089
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@bluesky_commons Our first Spaces panel on Identity is tomorrow! Tune in here at 9am PT: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1dRJZlzAZYNKB?s=20 (twitter.com/_/status/1448725185704579089)
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[snarfed] and supposedly today is when they close the Satellite competition and announce winners, but no response to ours yet, and no change to their competition web page since the first day: https://blueskyweb.org/satellite
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[aciccarello] That reinforces the feeling that they had a few solutions they wanted to dig more into and didn't really care about other ideas.
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[snarfed] I expect they'll at least say something soon. trying to reserve judgment
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[KevinMarks] oh, spaces work on the web now?
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[snarfed] 8 min in and they're neck deep in blockchain and web 3, with very little justification, just assumed. not sure how long I'll last listening
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aaronpk oh wow twitter spaces has auto captioning? that's cool
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[KevinMarks] Evan and Tim will steer away from wallets
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[snarfed] true, and maybe Kaliya too
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[KevinMarks] the speech recognition is ahead of the audio for me
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[Ed_Beck] What is web 3?
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Loqi Web 3.0 (AKA #web3) is a phrase used to pitch visionary sequels to the popularity of "Web 2.0" to advocate for particular plumbing solutions looking for problems, starting with the "Semantic Web" in the late 2000s, decentralization in the 2010s, and now mostly blockchains & cryptocurrencies; the IndieWeb instead focuses directly on user-centric goals, with technologies only as a means https://indieweb.org/web_3
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[snarfed] [KevinMarks] called it! Kei's web 3 heavy intro was the exception so far, Tim + Evan + Kaliya have now pretty loudly discouraged that direction, with almost no pushback
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aaronpk tbh this call is really awkward. it sounds like nobody really knows what they want to talk about
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[snarfed] probably comes from no specific goal/agenda
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schmudde Yeah - it's mostly a plurality of broad strokes. But I think it's where the BlueSky initiative is at.
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[snarfed] which can be fine, you just don't expect much of an actionable conclusion
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[snarfed] right
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schmudde RE: kei's call for experimentation... it reminds me a lot of Alan Kay's dismay that people never used Smalltalk to create a much better programming system than Smalltalk.
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schmudde Strong technical foundations like Smalltalk just got us C++.
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[snarfed] so overall the call seemed...a bit all over the place, but otherwise fine I guess. 🤷
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aaronpk haha perfect example at the end
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aaronpk "actually it's probably easier if you just go to the bluesky twitter account and click on the next space we linked to"
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aaronpk example of the usefulness of the simple single namespace
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[snarfed] I was surprised Tim et al thought single namespace with human-readable names was possible decentralized
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Loqi aaronpk, [snarfed]: can you move the tech talk (namespace) to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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[snarfed] yeah fair
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aaronpk in this case i think the word "namespace" is less a dev term
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aaronpk since we're talking about human-friendly identifiers
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[KevinMarks] I went to the url she said and clicked a link ans now I have to install an 80MB discord app
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[KevinMarks] Which discord channel are they in then?
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aaronpk oh here is where they are now https://twitter.com/bluesky_commons/status/1449038457561518081
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@bluesky_commons Join Q&A AfterParty at 10:10 am PT -> https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1jMJgeNPBLyKL (twitter.com/_/status/1449038457561518081)
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aaronpk hey shoutout to kevin
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[KevinMarks] That was kind of him
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[tantek] nope, "namespace" is still very much a jargony dev term, even if its usage is "accurate" in that context. a user-friendly alternative would be "silo name"
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[tantek] or plural to refer to the "space": silo names
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[tantek] a marketing alternative would be "social media name" or "social media alias" or "social media account"
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[tantek] will there be a transcript published of this call?
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[KevinMarks] It was generating one in real time (slightly ahead of the audio) but only showing 2 lines at a time
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[KevinMarks] I'd summarize it as cryptocurrency types promising pie in the sky and people who have been there pointing out the problems.
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aaronpk haha accurate
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Implementing IndieAuth Server Metadata" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2021/10/15/indieauth-server-metadata/
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[tantek] ooh just snuck in in time for the newsletter 🙂
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jamietanna oh nice, I thought I'd have missed it!
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n0n_b1n4ry_c0d3 hi everyone
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[snarfed] hi!
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n0n_b1n4ry_c0d3 one question i've looked a lil over the indeweb website and did not find a how to setup a hidden service (.onion site) why?
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n0n_b1n4ry_c0d3 it's the chepeast way of hosting my own domain/website
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[snarfed] good question! we don't do a lot of that here, but I assume there are lots of tutorials online outside of our wiki?
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/Tor
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n0n_b1n4ry_c0d3 nevermind ...
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n0n_b1n4ry_c0d3 i'm actually trying to setup my own mailserver on a tor service anyone had ever experience /w that?
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[snarfed] unlikely. there's https://indieweb.org/email#Handling_it_Yourself , but not Tor
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[tantek] what is a mail server
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mail server" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mail server is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] mail server is /email#Running_your_own_mail_server
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] see: https://indieweb.org/email#Running_your_own_mail_server
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