#indieweb 2021-10-15

2021-10-15 UTC
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Publ v0.7.4, Authl v0.6.0" https://publ.plaidweb.site/blog/897-Publ-v0-7-4-Authl-v0-6-0
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Announcing a Service for Creating an iCalendar feed for event RSVPs: rsvp-calendar.tanna.dev" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2021/10/15/rsvp-calendar/
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@bluesky_commons
Our first Spaces panel on Identity is tomorrow! Tune in here at 9am PT: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1dRJZlzAZYNKB?s=20
(twitter.com/_/status/1448725185704579089)
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[snarfed]
and supposedly today is when they close the Satellite competition and announce winners, but no response to ours yet, and no change to their competition web page since the first day: https://blueskyweb.org/satellite
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[aciccarello]
That reinforces the feeling that they had a few solutions they wanted to dig more into and didn't really care about other ideas.
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[snarfed]
I expect they'll at least say something soon. trying to reserve judgment
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[KevinMarks]
oh, spaces work on the web now?
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[snarfed]
8 min in and they're neck deep in blockchain and web 3, with very little justification, just assumed. not sure how long I'll last listening
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aaronpk
oh wow twitter spaces has auto captioning? that's cool
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[KevinMarks]
Evan and Tim will steer away from wallets
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[snarfed]
true, and maybe Kaliya too
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[KevinMarks]
the speech recognition is ahead of the audio for me
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[Ed_Beck]
What is web 3?
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Loqi
Web 3.0 (AKA #web3) is a phrase used to pitch visionary sequels to the popularity of "Web 2.0" to advocate for particular plumbing solutions looking for problems, starting with the "Semantic Web" in the late 2000s, decentralization in the 2010s, and now mostly blockchains & cryptocurrencies; the IndieWeb instead focuses directly on user-centric goals, with technologies only as a means https://indieweb.org/web_3
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[snarfed]
[KevinMarks] called it! Kei's web 3 heavy intro was the exception so far, Tim + Evan + Kaliya have now pretty loudly discouraged that direction, with almost no pushback
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aaronpk
tbh this call is really awkward. it sounds like nobody really knows what they want to talk about
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[snarfed]
probably comes from no specific goal/agenda
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schmudde
Yeah - it's mostly a plurality of broad strokes. But I think it's where the BlueSky initiative is at.
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[snarfed]
which can be fine, you just don't expect much of an actionable conclusion
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schmudde
RE: kei's call for experimentation... it reminds me a lot of Alan Kay's dismay that people never used Smalltalk to create a much better programming system than Smalltalk.
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schmudde
Strong technical foundations like Smalltalk just got us C++.
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[snarfed]
so overall the call seemed...a bit all over the place, but otherwise fine I guess. 🤷
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aaronpk
haha perfect example at the end
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aaronpk
"actually it's probably easier if you just go to the bluesky twitter account and click on the next space we linked to"
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aaronpk
example of the usefulness of the simple single namespace
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[snarfed]
I was surprised Tim et al thought single namespace with human-readable names was possible decentralized
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Loqi
aaronpk, [snarfed]: can you move the tech talk (namespace) to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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[snarfed]
yeah fair
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aaronpk
in this case i think the word "namespace" is less a dev term
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aaronpk
since we're talking about human-friendly identifiers
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[KevinMarks]
I went to the url she said and clicked a link ans now I have to install an 80MB discord app
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[KevinMarks]
Which discord channel are they in then?
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aaronpk
hey shoutout to kevin
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[KevinMarks]
That was kind of him
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[tantek]
nope, "namespace" is still very much a jargony dev term, even if its usage is "accurate" in that context. a user-friendly alternative would be "silo name"
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[tantek]
or plural to refer to the "space": silo names
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[tantek]
a marketing alternative would be "social media name" or "social media alias" or "social media account"
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[tantek]
will there be a transcript published of this call?