#indieweb 2021-10-30

2021-10-30 UTC
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[KevinMarks] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006/01/live-tv-is-dead-and-were-noticing.html
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[KevinMarks] ironically enough, I'm contracting for the BBC at the moment and there are new TV transmitters going live saturday and sunday
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[KevinMarks] https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/the-metaverse-is-bullshit/
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j12t There's a tendency for people to downplay new, immature, so-far-not-well-understood ideas. I remember the grief I got back from my boss at the time in 1993/4 when I started setting up this new thing called a website. He thought it was a toy and could never be useful for anything.
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j12t My feel is it will be the same with the metaverse. Of course only time will tell.
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[KevinMarks] But that's the point. This isn't a new idea, it's a 40+ year old metaphor
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[snarfed] is it meaningfully IndieWeb related yet?
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[snarfed] maybe not now, maaaaybe eventually?
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petermolnar read the article before dismissing it :)
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petermolnar and imo it is indieweb related: IF that thing our benevolent android, aka Zuckerberg envisioned takes off, FB users - so practially most of the world - will start exploring the 3D web, and our websites will become ancient totems.
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petermolnar that said, I don't want it to take off
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petermolnar it does, however, ties in to the self-representation aspect of one's own space
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Zegnat If VR chat is anything to go by, people are already exploring some form of 3D web. Just hasn’t really hit mainstream yet outside of Twitch/Discord spheres, from what I can tell.
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edgeduchess[d] I think it has interesting potential
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edgeduchess[d] eventually if it becomes profitable enough corporations will find a way to ruin it
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edgeduchess[d] which is a case for indie places that don't suck quite as much
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edgeduchess[d] i don't know if it's *IndieWeb*, but it sure is *IndieSomething*
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edgeduchess[d] I also would generally be interested in the interoperability between this and the web
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edgeduchess[d] especially as "reading AIs" become better, it kinda makes me think of those videogames where you can play tapes while exploring the open world
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edgeduchess[d] meet someone in VR -> "click" on them -> look at their blog posts, -> play one
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edgeduchess[d] [edit] meet someone in VR -> "click" on them -> look at their blog posts -> play one
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edgeduchess[d] or even read it like a diary
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edgeduchess[d] the potential of making art galleries that look like museums is what I love though
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petermolnar I believe we are really far from that experience
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petermolnar I'll take this to -chat
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j12t We had hypertext in 1944, at least on paper, and in working software no later than 1968, but the web only started mid-90's. Amazing how long some of those things take.
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j12t And we still don't have "trails" described by Bush in 1944, and which could be quite useful IMHO.
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j12t Re IndieWeb relationship, I believe any form of the metaverse should be built the web was built: lots of independently developed sites (aka "places") that connect to each other. Not the overlord metaverse Zuck is building, of course.
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j12t And I'd like to have my own metaverse place, like my own website. In fact I want them to be the same thing.
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j12t ... and it should be "responsive", meaning taking advantage of the accessing device: maybe mobile/2D as today, low-powered desktop/2D, high-powered desktop/large screen/3D or such.
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