#indieweb 2021-11-18
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mikeputnam capjamesg[d] / [chrisaldrich]1 fascinating re: h-card + gravatar. i'll be reading up on h-card next!
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# maxwelljoslyn Good morning indie web. Missed last couple HWC Americas, good to be back
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# maxwelljosly *should* be
# maxwelljosly oops lol
# maxwelljosly no "N"
# maxwelljosly aaronpk not sure where GWG is, could you open a zoom for Americas please?
# maxwelljosly No, that handoof never happened iirc
# maxwelljosly perhaps the time has come
# maxwelljosly thanks!
# maxwelljosly ty johannes my mic has ben givng me grief all week
# maxwelljosly got it GWG!
# maxwelljosly must have missed that have been absetn
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j12t A counterpoint to emoji-driven feedback only: https://www.kialo.com/
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# digivonity Good morning. Forgive me for not consuming all of the indie web site before asking...
# digivonity I love the idea of an indie web. I'm working on my own right now. Just wondering: any thought on your outreach? Is there a rise in popularity? Is it mailnly participants from US?
# [tantek]2 what is indiemap?
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Loqi indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 https://indieweb.org/indiemap
# [tantek]2 digivonity ^ that may answer some of your questions.
# digivonity Thanks [tantek]2. I will study it (looking for spread and diversity)
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capjamesg[d] digivonity We do have members across the world and the number of community members is growing. We have a wiki page on wiki participation but I can't remember what it is called.
# capjamesg[d] It has a table of new registrations by year. That is not the perfect benchmark for popularity but one metric that would be useful.
# capjamesg[d] Can anyone remember what page that table is on?
# [tantek]2 the best outreach is using your own website instead of or before social media, so to ask the question in return, digivonity, what kind of response have you gotten when you’ve blogged about the indieweb?
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# digivonity You're ahead of me [tantek]2: My strong opinion about the corporate web (or Net) brought me here but I haven't expressed my thoughts yet. I'm almost done building my own space.
# digivonity About one thing I'm certain: I have no appetite for fighting for any page ranking in any search engine.
# digivonity Hi capjamesg[d] thanks for the introduction. I will spend more time learning about indieweb after my working day
# [tantek]2 that's a good instinct digivonity. the only page ranking worth fighting for is your own ranking of your pages.
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# digivonity I have enough questions left I suppose but they'll have to wait until after work I'm afraid
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Introducing the HyperText Coffee Pot" https://jamesg.blog/2021/11/18/hypertext-coffee-pot
# capjamesg[d] digivonity I am excited to see what space you build on the web for yourself!
# capjamesg[d] Quality content > fighting for rankings.
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[chrisbergr] I believe, with various building blocks, clean, semantic code and all the microformats (which also contain the own name again and again) you do a lot for SEO without extra effort.
# [chrisbergr] With the launch of the new site I will also monitor and verify this for me, I am very curious.
# capjamesg[d] Oh indeed! Microformats are still parsed by Google and semantic HTML makes the job of a search engine much easier.
# capjamesg[d] Cleaner and well-structured HTML means that search engines are less likely to make a mistake indexing your site.
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# digivonity So far I've been reading about the IndieWeb principles, IndieMark and - globally - the standards. It's definitely what I have in mind for myself
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# [tantek]2 glad to hear it!
# [tantek]2 were there any of those (principles, IndieMark areas/levels, standards) that particularly resonated with you?
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# digivonity What resonated with me: ownership on domain level and beneath - a private space for my profile - connection thru the use of indieweb standards
# digivonity Also something that raised an eyebrow: the distinction between post and note - i'm not sure i want to make that distinction
# Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indieweb.org/note
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# digivonity the way i understand it: an article is more elaborate, probably better structured using sub-headings
# digivonity my blog would be a diary containing notes, but some notes will be more elaborate / structured then others
# Loqi An article is a kind of post that typically has more structure than a simple note. Articles usually have a name (title), multiple paragraphs, and often subheadings, blockquotes, embedded images, and a footer of references or citations https://indieweb.org/article
# digivonity @aaronpk that's what i thought
# digivonity (i see that @ is not making the right reference - sorry for that)
# digivonity oh, haha, but it does :blush
# digivonity i'm on chat.indieweb.org - do not have a lot of experience with irc
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aaronpk ah got it. see https://indieweb.org/discuss for a few other more stable ways to join! (Slack, Discord, Matrix)
# digivonity thanks for the links - i noticed them before. Do they all work in a browser or do i need a client app?
# digivonity aaronpk: i'm about to try matrix
# digivonity nekr0z: The IndieMArk made me think I should make that distinction but maybe I should read it again
# digivonity I write manuals as part of my job. I love well structured texts. But it's not at all the way my brain moves. My blog should reflect that.
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stevestreza If you add microformats to your site, there might be some tools/apps that don't properly handle an article missing a title, or a note having a bunch of paragraphs. But it's your website first and foremost so do what works for you.
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# digivonity i guess it will take me some time to figure out who to make my site indie according to the principles and meanwhile author content in a non-conformitive way
# digivonity *who* how
# [tantek]2 it's not *that* arbitrary. IndieMark was based roughly on emergent common patterns among implementations in the 2013-2014 era
# [tantek]2 and then some degree of extrapolation for what future levels could be
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# [jamesg483] What is post type discovery?
# Loqi Post Type Discovery specifies an algorithm for consuming code to determine the type of a post by its content properties and their values rather than an explicit “post type” property, thus better matched to modern post creation UIs that allow combining text, media, etc in a variety of ways without burdening users with any notion of what kind of post they are creating https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery
# [jamesg483] More information there ^
# [jamesg483] [tantek] I wonder how indiemark could be simplified / made clearer. I looked through the wiki page today and there seems to be a lot going on.
# [jamesg483] I think there was some site around with checkboxes at some point.
# [jamesg483] Although the name is presently not coming to mind.
# [tantek]2 agreed [jamesg483], I definitely think IndieMark could use a bunch of updating, redesign, and restructuring
# [jamesg483] Hm. I'd actually like to find that site again.
# [jamesg483] I'd love to see a checklist that you could maybe access with indieauth if you wanted (to save options) or not.
# [jamesg483] So you could track progress.
# [jamesg483] I'd maybe advocate for less levels and more weight on axes as they are less hierarchical / “you must do X before doing Y”.
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# [tantek]2 that seems mostly like a communication issue, as "must" is not really the meaning there, but rather doing X *enables* doing Y
# [jamesg483] digivonity I tried having notes as a separate type but I didn't enjoy thinking in terms of notes. So I just have posts.
# [jamesg483] That is true tantek.
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