#indieweb 2021-12-15
2021-12-15 UTC
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@csuwildcat @schnarfed @haxor If your identifier is 1) costly to maintain, 2) can lapse due to inability to pay, 3) or can be unilaterally rug-pulled by a corp/gov, it's not really decentralized. Why should we encourage use of centralized identifiers when we now have uninterdictable decentralized identifiers? (twitter.com/_/status/1470958017717755906)
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Loqi paper website is a website that has been written on paper and transcribed to a web page or a printed version of a website https://indieweb.org/paper_website
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KartikPrabhu neat
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[chrisaldrich] Speaking of paper websites... https://indieweb.org/2022-01-01-commitments Who is going to join me? I feel so alone over here :cricket:
# [chrisaldrich] (it doesn't have to be a big commitment...)
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capjamesg[d] My commitment is to finish my blog series on bloggers 🙂
# capjamesg[d] If that qualifies, I will add it up there!
# capjamesg[d] I am 15 posts in. 9 more to go.
# [chrisaldrich] capjamesg[d]++ for what you've done so far
# capjamesg[d] Most of what I have done this month has been that series and chipping away at a Discord bot.
# capjamesg[d] But the bot is not necessarily for other people (although open-source anyway) 🙂
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Zegnat voxpelli: nothing that comes to mind. The closest would be the create & ship & create on /itches ? /make_what_you_need sorta replaces that page in our /principles. But as “Document your stuff” is a separate step from making, I do not think we have one page that covers it
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# KartikPrabhu that sounds like an itch you have voxpelli. Maybe you should start such a page
# KartikPrabhu :P
# capjamesg[d] What is documentation?
# Loqi documentation is written text or audiovisual media that is used to describe or instruct how something works, for example how to get started on the IndieWeb, or how to install a particular piece of open source software to use on your personal website, and documenting what you create is one of several IndieWeb principles https://indieweb.org/documentation
# KartikPrabhu for the good of all of us
# capjamesg[d] /documentation is more for tutorials that document various features. I agree that we should have a section on the pattern you described.
# capjamesg[d] And I think anyone who writes about how they built their projects or sites could be included in an examples list.
# Zegnat http://microformats.org/wiki/process includes many of the ideas and overlap with the pattern. But is pretty spec specific. But does make sure to mention documenting things all the way through, including writing down what you want to accomplish before implementing anything
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voxpelli I believe the indieweb principles grew out of that, but seems to be lacking the https://microformats.org/wiki/reuse part? And the reuse part is one side of a coin where "document" is the other
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# Zegnat I wonder if reuse should not also be an indieweb principle. That could be an interesting discussion. The current principles can sometimes read as if you have to do all the work yourself, but when we talk to people about owning their own online data we will often tell them to (re)use the WP plugins, micro.blog, or some other already existing thing.
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reuse" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "reuse is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Zegnat I think it is the fine line between the community not wanting to bog anyone down, just have fun and make what you want for your homepage, and then the way of thinking of a core group of developers who would like to work to drive the /building-blocks forward.
# Loqi wikifying is the practice of capturing information and ideas on the wiki https://indieweb.org/wikify
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[KevinMarks] the microformats process is about documenting existing patterns before implementing new
# [KevinMarks] yes, sure. See also https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1006674190831742976
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@kevinmarks Standards are documentation, not legislation. They explain how to make your code do the same thing as mine. Sadly, we write them in an imperative voice, and don't explain how we chose them. @slightlylate has more to say: https://infrequently.org/2018/06/effective-standards-work-part-1-the-lay-of-the-land/ #Indieweb #microformats (twitter.com/_/status/1006674190831742976)
# [KevinMarks] “Design is the process of trying to address a problem with a new feature. Standardisation is the process of documenting consensus.” says alex
# [KevinMarks] I think it fits, though it's at a different level than mf - mf was about vocabulary reuse, whereas in indieweb it may be a bit broader
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# [KevinMarks] An mf example is we used name, summary, content, url, photo broadly across formats rather than, say, using title, description, article, link, picture
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