#indieweb 2021-12-29

2021-12-29 UTC
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webmind IS there indieweb for people with no syadmin skills?
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webmind like a community based service where one can get an account?
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[snarfed] webmind: many! the first one we recommend is usually https://micro.blog/
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[snarfed] most people on the indieweb aren't sysadmins or programmers. many people _here_ are, since we're generally the most active in the community, and often building things, but that's definitely not expected or even the majority
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webmind thanks
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webmind what software does that use?
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[chrisaldrich] what is micro.blog?
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Loqi Micro.blog is a website and social service started by Manton Reece, which natively supports IndieWeb building-blocks like microformats2, Webmention, and Micropub https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog
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[chrisaldrich] webmind, it used to be Jekyll-based, but is now using Hugo. I think [manton] has open sourced bits, but most of it may be custom and closed as I recall.
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webmind thanks
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich]++ for helping with direct user-focused questions and also snarfed++
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Loqi [chrisaldrich] has 20 karma in this channel over the last year (42 in all channels)
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Loqi snarfed has 32 karma in this channel over the last year (66 in all channels)
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[tantek] capjamesg[d] thank you! what aspect(s) in particular of the read post structure appealed to you?
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[tantek] anyone hear of "Blind"? it sounds like a pseudonymous social network clustered around companies and you have to use your corporate email address to sign-in, e.g.: https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/DoorDash-requires-engineers-to-deliver-food-16732012.php
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PK[d] Yeah I’m on it. It’s good to connect anonymously with your colleagues. Or get advice (career) from text community. You can trust that people giving advice are actually working on the company they say work at, so it’s valuable.
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PK[d] [edit] Yeah I’m on it. It’s good to connect anonymously with your colleagues. Or get advice (career) from community. You can trust that people giving advice are actually working at company they they do, so it’s valuable.
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edgeduchess[d] it's known as being pretty unfriendly to activists within companies
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edgeduchess[d] dangers of anonymity in these settings
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edgeduchess[d] but I heard more than one person in those circle having had their name dropped in blind with very unfriendly messages in the threads
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petermolnar I did hear about it
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petermolnar and it's not a nice thing
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petermolnar question: I'm trying to get, for the first time in years, a facebook group to actually comment on a few question a raised in a post. Part of me wonders if the total lack them [responses] is due to people seeing it on their phones, thus not willing to type.
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petermolnar So the question: if there were decent reply-with-voice or auto-transcribe options, do you think people would use them to leave comments? And is so, for how long, before they become lazy to do even that:
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Zegnat It might not be as device-specific as you think. E.g. people who use their phone more than any other device would be just as likely or even more likely to type on their phone. I actually think it is often a mindset thing. Lots of times when I open a social media app on my phone, I am only doing it to consume. I might be on public transport, or waiting for something, etc. If I am in consume mode, no matter the device, I am unlikely to
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Zegnat reply.
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petermolnar what brings you out of "consume mode" and into "flamewar mode" or "create mode"?
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Zegnat Uuh... https://xkcd.com/356/ and https://xkcd.com/386/ ? :P But more seriously, I am not sure if anything ever does. Because that was simply not the purpose I opened the apps for.
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Loqi [XKCD] Nerd Sniping https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/nerd_sniping.png
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petermolnar so that means that via those channels - eg. social media - social interaction with people in consume mode is practically impossible, right?
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Zegnat That would be my guess, yes
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petermolnar that's a rather bleak outlook
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petermolnar most of the currently available tools to reach people will reach the people who are in consume mode
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[jacky] https://twitter.com/andrestaltz/status/1476233000748736512?s=20
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@andrestaltz Data portability on internet platforms is vastly over-emphasized. Attention portability is the true issue. I can easily write a program that downloads all of my tweets and there you go, I have all my data. But I stay on Twitter because of the attention that tweets receive. (twitter.com/_/status/1476233000748736512)
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aaronpk while that's true for twitter, it's definitely not true for all sites. many don't have a way for you to write a program to download your stuff
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aaronpk but yes i agree the social network portability aspect of it is important too
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[tantek] Yet another person with a yet another false dichotomy hot take on Twitter 🙄
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[tw2113_Slack_] meanwhile Napster is trending today
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[tantek] The trivial reply to that tweet is, it's not either or, it's own your content *and* distribute. See https://indieweb.org/backfill and https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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[tantek] This concentric circles graphic is a good visualization of *some* of the granularity we need for healthier & safer webmention-based interactions, and frankly demonstrates well how Vouch was never intended for purely binary yes/no or block/allow UIs (despite folks often trying to force it into that square hole) https://www.instagram.com/p/CYCPe2Lsetq/
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jessealama[d] Loqi: thanks! TIL the term
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[schmarty] You, a tiger!
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] I liked the simplicity of your read posts.
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capjamesg[d] Is there a version of the NASCAR problem for taxonomies?
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capjamesg[d] I love the idea of tracking things but not so much the reality of having to create different post sections and potentially Micropub forms to track them.
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capjamesg[d] Do you write read posts as notes and tag them?
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[tantek] yeah I decided to experiment with /read posts as notes with tags to see if that would be useful enough with generic mechanisms (instead of "different post sections" and certainly without special forms)
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[tantek] [schmarty] and here I thought the point was to feed the tiger before you feed yourself so it doesn't eat you, and the outermost unmentioned circle of trolls, as in don't feed them
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[tantek] yeah I'd add some more dark(side) circles on the outside of that diagram
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[schmarty] i think there's a two-wolves meme in the making here.
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[tantek] yesss
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capjamesg[d] Do you like creating read posts that way?
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[tantek] I mean I tolerate it, like creating my note posts in general
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capjamesg[d] Can you elaborate?
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[tantek] both take more steps that I'd like, are limited in which device(s) I can use, and are less forgiving (harder to undo) than I'd like
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capjamesg[d] I see. I wonder how I can simplify my workflow.
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[tantek] it helps to have a goal / ideal to work toward. edgeduchess[d] mentioned some examples earlier (though it might have been in another channel0
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[tantek] )
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[tantek] a generally good "challenge" is to continuously ask yourself, how can you make it easier (less time, fewer steps, less distraction) to do from your mobile device(s)
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[tantek] outside of "Strangers on the Internet" circle in that diagram above of folks to pay less attention to / avoid: people that *mostly* post: angry things, misinformation, scams (e.g. crypumpto), implicitly hateful things about less privileged groups, hateful things toward specific non-public-figure individuals (AKA trolls), explicitly hateful things towards less privileged groups (racists, misogynists, queer/trans/homophobes etc.). Feel
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[tantek] free to re-order by how damaging / harmful / "evil" such publishers are.
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