#indieweb 2022-01-06

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[chrisaldrich]
Is it possible to make the people/sites one's social reader is following public? I don't think I've seen any microsub-based readers offer this functionality? I haven't seen as much parity in the older ways of doing this with potentially newer building blocks (See: /lost_infrastructure)
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[snarfed]
I've done that manually for a while now, export my reader's feeds as OPML and then translate that into a page: https://snarfed.org/feeds
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Loqi
[Ryan Barrett] Sites I read regularly. They’re mostly friends’ blogs and other sites that I have a personal connection to. Also see podcasts and other lists. Thanks to NewsBlur, RSS, Atom, and Fletcher Penney‘s opml2markdown.xslt, which I use to generate this...
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[snarfed]
also https://snarfed.org/podcasts . haven't updated them in a couple years though, adding that to my todo list now
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[chrisaldrich]
A interesting string of reads for the new year: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jan/02/attention-span-focus-screens-apps-smartphones-social-media, with a response by Colin http://cdevroe.com/2022/01/05/bye-social-media/, followed by https://pimoore.ca/2022/01/05/on-quitting-social.html. Anyone else making these sorts of new year's "resolutions"?
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[chrisaldrich]
What is a digital detox?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "digital detox" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "digital detox is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich]
🤔 I'll just leave this here as I know Middlebury have put out some good material on the subject before (They're also an early adopter of A Domain of One's Own) and it's worth looking at how they're approaching the topic: https://dlinq.middcreate.net/digitaldetox/
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zerojames[d]
[chrisaldrich] I was thinking about using Microsub to make it automatically. All of my feeds are in microsub and are one query away from being rendered on a page.
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zerojames[d]
That's the way my planet works too.
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zerojames[d]
The planet makes a Microsub request to my server and gets all posts in the IndieWeb channel.
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Loqi
zerojames[d]: we try to keep jargon (Microsub) out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?
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zerojames[d]
Tom Critchlow has a similar experiment where he shows articles published by feeds he follows on his site.
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zerojames[d]
For technical details, let's resume the discussion in #dev.
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Murray[d]
what is blog roll
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "blog roll" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "blog roll is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Murray[d]
what is blogroll
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Loqi
A blogroll is a list of other sites that you read, are a follower of, or recommend https://indieweb.org/blogroll
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Murray[d]
blog roll << blogroll
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Loqi
Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "blog roll" or similar
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jeremycherfas
Other way round.
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Murray[d]
Sorry, got distracted trying to work out what the policy is with dead links 😄 >> #indieweb-meta
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jeremycherfas
I didn't think it right to do it for you.
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zerojames[d]
What is a blog roll?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "blog roll" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "blog roll is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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zerojames[d]
blog roll is /blogroll
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zerojames[d]
Murray[d] X is /Y is the syntax to create a redirect between two terms 🙂
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Murray[d]
Thanks, let me fix that 😄
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zerojames[d]
<< lets you append something to a document.
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Murray[d]
zerojames++
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Loqi
zerojames has 1 karma over the last year
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zerojames[d]
Ah! A reset in username resets karma! Oh dear...
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Murray[d]
was about to say, seems wrong
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zerojames[d]
I'll have to change my username back...
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Murray[d]
capjamesg++ 😛
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Loqi
capjamesg has 16 karma in this channel over the last year (57 in all channels)
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petermolnar
remember I've been looking for the successor of FrontPage? Well, https://www.silex.me/ is a very nice candidate.
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[snarfed]
inspired by #indieweb-chat, https://hypertext.monster/2021/07/17/no-social-media.html is entertaining. not at all about owning your content online or the indieweb spirit, despite the title
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Loqi
No Social Media Club
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[chrisaldrich]
snarfed++ ha! I was coming to chat just now to post that very same article from July! 😂
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Loqi
snarfed has 30 karma in this channel over the last year (64 in all channels)
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[chrisaldrich]
But I'm guessing you just broke the first two rules of No Social Media Club...
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[snarfed]
there was a second rule?
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[snarfed]
:troll:
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[tantek]
didn't gRegor make t-shirts for ANTI-SOCIAL MEDIA SOCIAL MEDIA CLUB?
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[tantek]
(not a typo)
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[jacky]
haha I think so
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capjamesg[d]
Really haha?
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capjamesg[d]
Where can I buy one!
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[chrisaldrich]
wants one too
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aaronpk
do i need to make us a merch shop finally? seeing as our previous distribution mechanism of in-person events is not likely to resume soon
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GWG
aaronpk: I'd love to add the hat and mask option
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aaronpk
-> #indieweb-meta
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@doctorow
It's been twenty years, to the day, since I published my first blog-post. I'm a blogger. Blogging - publicly breaking down the things that seem significant, then synthesizing them in longer pieces - is the defining activity of my days. https://boingboing.net/2001/01/13/hey-mark-made-me-a.html 1/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Erly-LsVEAIsGOm.jpg
(twitter.com/_/status/1349348952433258497)
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[jacky]
https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1349348952433258497 a thread about how he goes about curating his site
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[schmarty]1
went ahead and scrolled to the end to find the copy he posts to his personal site: https://pluralistic.net/2021/01/13/two-decades/#hfbd
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Loqi
[Cory Doctorow] Pluralistic: 13 Jan 2021
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capjamesg[d]
Do many people syndicate their notes to Mastodon?
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capjamesg[d]
I could only see one example on /Mastodon.
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[jacky]
ah I should have done that [schmarty] lol
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[jacky]
good call
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[jacky]
keeping it indie
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[aciccarello]
capjamesg bridgy-fed makes it so mastodon users can follow you right? Would that be better than syndication?
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[snarfed]
[aciccarello] tradeoff. arguably "better," yes, but also harder to set up and more brittle to get working well and keep running
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[snarfed]
capjamesg
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[snarfed]
but yeah there are plenty of people federating and/or syndicating to Mastodon
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[aciccarello]
That makes sense.
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capjamesg[d]
Oh brid.gy fed might do just what I want. It looks like I have another project to work on do
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capjamesg[d]
*work on 🙂
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[schmarty]1
jacky: i just got excited because i knew that link would be in there somewhere, haha
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[snarfed]
eg [fluffy] used to, not sure if she still does
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[snarfed]
federate your blog to Mastodon
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[fluffy]
I did the what now?
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[fluffy]
ah yeah I have um… multiple ways of doing that
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[fluffy]
`@fluffy@mastodon.social` is blog -> ifttt -> twitter -> twitter-mastodon crossposter. `@beesbuzz.biz@beesbuzz.biz` is via fed.brid.gy. `@fluffy@plush.city` is via a Python script I found, posting directly
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[snarfed]
capjamesg try bridgy fed if you really care about federating instead of syndicating and don't mind interactions with Mastodon being flaky sometimes. try bridgy (for Mastodon) if you don't care about federating but do care about it being easier and more reliable
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capjamesg[d]
Can you elaborate more? What is the difference between federating and syndicating?
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[fluffy]
I’m in a meeting right now but I can talk a bit later
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[aciccarello]
With federating, people follow your site. With syndicating you post a copy to a separate account
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[aciccarello]
At least that's the way I think about it.
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capjamesg[d]
In that case, I think federating would be more appropriate.
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[snarfed]
:thumbsup: gl!
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@MindaHarts
One of my brothers was telling me that he is ready to build his website and branding--and was a little frustrated because his domain name was taken. I said I own it, I knew one day you would want to use it and I wanted to make sure it was available when you did. https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/FIcINckUcAQU-9m.jpg
(twitter.com/_/status/1479160035414446087)
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[chrisaldrich]
Hard to follow the joy of that post Kevin, but I just found the greatest domain name for an online personal knowledge management site: https://www.tinybrain.fans/
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[fluffy]
ok I’m back from my meeting. Anyway, my experience with fed.brid.gy vs. syndication is that Bridgy Fed works pretty okay for things but it kind of falls apart in certain circumstances.
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[fluffy]
For example, there’s no way for it to reasonably support private posts, whereas my RSS-to-mastodon bridge can at least show my “protected post” shim. Also, bridgy fed doesn’t seem to have a public outbox, it only sends push requests for new content.
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[fluffy]
I also wish there were a way for Mastodon folks to subscribe to just the posts they want, instead of my whole site’s updates, but that’s more of a Mastodon/webfinger UX issue.
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[fluffy]
I also feel like “here is a new post and a link to it” fits the Mastodon UX better than the attempt to put the whole blog entry into the Mastodon feed.
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[fluffy]
That said, at some point I want to put native ActivityPub into Publ and hopefully I can make things work better than my current morass of jank.
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[fluffy]
[expecting loqi to encourage me into #indieweb-dev in 5…4…3…]
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aaronpk
it's just *so much work*
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[fluffy]
yeah 😞
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aaronpk
i think you snuck in just past the 5 minute mark ;-) https://loqi.me/jargon/
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Loqi
[fluffy]: lol
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[snarfed]
[fluffy] speaks the truth, "works pretty okay for things but kind of falls apart in certain circumstances" is a totally fair assessment
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[fluffy]
I’d figure out how to un-jargonily talk about my plans for Publ but I talk about them so much and have no energy to actually do them so I don’t think it’ll be, like, helpful
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[fluffy]
[snarfed] yeah I didn’t intend it as any sort of shade, like bridgy fed is really amazing for what it does! It just doesn’t do quite what I want 🙂
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[snarfed]
eh, if you think about it the right way, it can be a bit like rubber duckying technical design
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[snarfed]
thanks for the kind words!
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[fluffy]
I’ve rubberducked it enough though
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[fluffy]
also I do worry that having used bridgy fed means that my domain is permanently tainted by bridgy fed’s PGP key
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[fluffy]
it’s my understanding that mastodon *really* hates the idea of a domain ever changing owners
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[fluffy]
and once a key gets lost it’s just… irrecoverably blacklisted from federation.
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Loqi
friendly reminder [fluffy], it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (ActivityPub, federation)
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[snarfed]
oof, that's unfortunate if true
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[snarfed]
I'll happily give you the keypair if you ever want to migrate
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[fluffy]
I mean I kind of resent the idea of needing a keypair in the first place
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[fluffy]
but, y’know. mastodon’s gonna mastodon.
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[fluffy]
(also IMO ‘federation’ should not be a jargon term!)
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aaronpk
it's a nice shortcut for protected posts tho
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[fluffy]
I don’t think that’s what mastodon uses it for?
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[fluffy]
I think it’s purely as an anti-spoofing measure
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aaronpk
without it they wouldn't have a solution for it tho
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[fluffy]
Oh, does it add more encryption for protected posts?
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aaronpk
but now we're fully in #indieweb-dev territory
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[chrisaldrich]
Cory Doctorow's 20 Year Anniversary post has some great reasons on why he keeps an archive and has a personal site (hint, he uses it like a digital commonplace book) and has a nice call out to /POSSE.
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[tantek]
he linked to POSSE?
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[chrisaldrich]
He didn't link it but used the phrase and wrote out the acronym
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[chrisaldrich]
It's also a paean to manual until it hurts.
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[tw2113_Slack_]
i find it slightly ironic that Corey talked about blogging for 20 years in a tweet thread
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[chrisaldrich]
I find it surprising that he deals with the manual cruft of copypasta of syndicating to Twitter that way every day and that he does it via XML!!!