#indieweb 2022-01-10
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Billbennettnz If think I fixed this in the past, but don't remember how. If you look at this page on my blog, you'll see "One thought on..." which should be followed by that thought (or comment), but it is not. Any idea what could be stopping that? It's not the additional CSS, I have turned that off and on again to check.
# Billbennettnz Sorry, THIS page. https://billbennett.co.nz/alexa-amazon-smart-speaker/
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# Billbennettnz I think my problem is with Semantic Linkbacks....
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[tantek] juanchipro[m] your English is very good! And I promise that no one will make fun of any accent on HWC meetups. If you feel any kind of mistreatment like that, please raise it with an organizer (it would be a /code-of-conduct violation).
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# Billbennettnz David: There's no need to apologise. I think I've seen this problem before.... I don't think it's that serious.
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# [tantek] can take this to #indieweb-chat for movie-specific discussion. posted here more as a point of keeping our own independent lists / movie recommendations up to date, like what's the IndieWeb way of doing that, and perhaps how should we notify folks of updates (not going to say the protocol 🙂 )
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Loqi A watch is a semi-passive type of post used to publish that you have watched a video (movie, TV, film), or a live show (theater, concert) https://indieweb.org/watch
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# [tw2113_Slack_] self hosted verse
# [tw2113_Slack_] now there's a website package bundle
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GWG But I was thinking of /recommendations, and possibly a movies, tv, and music page.
# GWG This is going to take a while, but.. https://david.shanske.com/recommendations/movies/
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[chrisaldrich] I remember having something like this on an early personal website: https://twitter.com/Martin_Adams/status/1479904441608380420
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@Martin_Adams How we used to do HTML table rounded corners in the 90s https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FImtMXpWQAAbva7.png (twitter.com/_/status/1479904441608380420)
# [tw2113_Slack_] Looks like you won Windows Solitaire [chrisaldrich]
# [chrisaldrich] lol, yes, that too!
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# [tantek] my pal who (re)started her training blog has a great domain name: https://www.amythepunisher.com/
# [tw2113_Slack_] there are tons of good domains even on the legacy TLDs if you're willing to get a little creative
# Billbennettnz In the 1980s, living in London, England, I had a late model Ford Cortina. Just about anything that went wrong with the car was fixable by an enthusiastic novice. Ten years later I had a Toyota Camry, which was a complete closed book to the amateur car repairer. This echoes what has happened in software. When the web was built on HTML and CSS I learned how to repair everything - and even make sites from scratch. Wordpress came along
# Billbennettnz with PHP and a database to contend with. It wasn't simple, but with effort I could navigate problems and troubleshoot. Now... I'm at a complete loss. I can no longer read the code and follow trails, fixing things.
# Billbennettnz My point here, is that for better or worse, software tends towards greater complexity requiring specialist knowledge to manage.
# Billbennettnz Yes. I 100% agree and was going there. But I think it will be a long project to untangle all the existing knots...
# Billbennettnz Yes. I saw Jekyll as a path through this. Not so sure now. But I am keen to explore alternatives.
# Billbennettnz For me, the breaking point was Gutenberg... The moment that becomes compulsory, I'm out of Wordpress for good.
# Billbennettnz I'm DuckDuckGoing it right now...
# Loqi Eleventy is a JavaScript based static site generator that allows the user to select their own preferred template engine and theme, which in practice can and does enable use of microformats2 https://indieweb.org/Eleventy
# Billbennettnz I'm not going to lie, those instructions for installing Eleventy look off-putting. I can do CLI but still have nightmares about compileing Linux apps in the 1990s ;)
# Loqi Netlify is a CDN/static hosting provider with integrated build service, useful for static site generators https://indieweb.org/Netlify
# Billbennettnz The beginner's guide: "My hope with this guide is to remove barriers, particularly for designers/developers who: ... possess some competency in front-end languages (HTML, CSS, JS);
# [tw2113_Slack_] netlify is another stack that has a very vocal small base claiming superiority, when 98% of the internet would be completely lost trying to maintain their online presence with it.
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# Billbennettnz I can do HTML and CSS... even hack PHP when necessary, but JavaScript is a step too far. I'm in my 60s and the last time I did any coding it was in Fortran as a Physics undergrad.... (I started a Pascal course, but bailed after getting the needed credits).
# [tw2113_Slack_] glad you're here regardless Bill
# Billbennettnz I have an enquiring mind ;)
# Billbennettnz I'm concerned about: "As Netlify needs the served sites to be 100% static, they cannot run any script (PHP, etc.) to serve as an endpoint for Webmention, micropub, etc., endpoints for such Netlify-hosted sites need to be hosted separately somewhere else." that is starting to look hard
# Billbennettnz Is Loqi a real human, or was that comment picked up by a bot? I apologise if you are human.... but it seems in this context, what I wrote is relevant to this channel
# Billbennettnz Having got this far, I think the next question is to find a SSG that plays nice with IndieWeb tools
# Billbennettnz Or, perhaps, one where the integration is relatively straightforward.
# Billbennettnz I'm a journalist by trade (not a technical writer) but I reckon I could put together a decent guide on rolling your own SSG, if I find one to work with that I'm comfortable with.
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# Billbennettnz At the moment I suspect Jekyll remains the best candidate. All the others I've checked out so far set off little warning flags in the back of my brain
# Billbennettnz Uh oh... that idea didn't last long https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/14/future_of_jekyll_project_engine/
# [tw2113_Slack_] hugs WordPress
# Billbennettnz Yeah...spotted that. And it looks like Eleventy provides hosting which was my other concern.... I know I can use GitHub with Jekyll but with ~2000 pages on the site I'd worry about that... I'd rather pay my way.
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capjamesg[d] GWG "Underappreciated Movies with Generally Poor Reviews and Questionable Scripts" sounds like exactly the kind of category I would read haha.
# capjamesg[d] Billbennettnz I used Jekyll for over a year and had no problems. For most static site use cases, it is a very effective generator.
# capjamesg[d] I can't think of a big feature that Jekyll is missing out on.
# capjamesg[d] (I built my own static generator to allow for a niche need to build the same site with two different themes without maintaining two project repos.)
# capjamesg[d] I haven't tried Eleventy so I can't compare Jekyll to it. But, I'd still feel comfortable choosing Jekyll for a project today.
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[aciccarello] I started with a Jekyll site and migrated to Eleventy when I got tired of trying to figure out Ruby errors.
# [aciccarello] Eleventy has the option to use Liquid templates so it was fairly easy to migrate.
# [aciccarello] Netlify was surprisingly easy to get setup but probably would still be intimidating for a beginner.
# capjamesg[d] Ah, that's cool!
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# capjamesg[d] I ended up removing my Liquid markup and replacing it with jinja2 for my own generator. But it was a frustrating process to say the least.
# capjamesg[d] Ah, apologies Loqi.
# Billbennettnz I think I'll go Jekyll first, because I'm comfortable there, and if that doesn't work make the move to Eleventy. Wordpress direct to Eleventy looks more daunting.
# capjamesg[d] "when I got tired of trying to figure out Ruby errors." I had this issue a few times but nothing that put me off Jekyll.
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petermolnar !tell rhiaro I came across your piece, http://rhiaro.co.uk/2016/11/decentralisation-considered-harmful , from 5+ years ago, and it's stayed incredibly valid.
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# [chrisaldrich] This was an interesting way of doing one's reading list, but going from web -> physical space: https://twitter.com/jhaip/status/1480319834709798913. I'd like to have some indicator of my /personal_library in physical form (particularly for a digital-only library of ebooks) and this is a move toward it. A different version could be interesting for browsing.
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@jhaip Moving my (web) reading list to sticky notes because I never remember to check it on my computer. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIslv7DXsAI91Vv.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1480319834709798913)
# Seb[d] Can I throw in this video by Tom Scott about his predictions for 2022 in 2012? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYj3DnI81AQ
# Seb[d] There is some IndieWeb relevance, since it mentions the decline of blogs a few times, but also because IndieWeb was founded in 2011. It gave me some new insights into what the web looked like back then.
# [chrisaldrich] That was a weird fat finger effect ^^ If you're on IRC or other platforms ignore those attached files, not sure where they came from...
# Seb[d] (I should just blog about these things, not share them on chat-like services like this one)
# [chrisaldrich] Or both Seb[d], you can always blog about them and then POSSE to chat. 🙂
# capjamesg[d] What about manual POSSE?
# capjamesg[d] [chrisaldrich] I love that sticky note / QR code photo. I have thought about doing something similar but haven't got around to it.
# capjamesg[d] It would be kind of cool if I could have a QR code that sent me to a random link in my reading list.
# [chrisaldrich] Having a completist mindset for owning your own data can be a bad thing on that front certainly. Though I am more cognizant of what I write and tweet out wondering which odd little communities or groups may be picking up on various keywords I'm using.
# [chrisaldrich] I have posted things on my own site to capture them first and knowing that Loqi will pick them up and syndicate them here on my behalf.
# [chrisaldrich] I think I'd rather have a photo of the book cover with the qr code being less prominent on the slip though.
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# capjamesg[d] What is a poll?
# Loqi question is a post type for soliciting answer replies, which are then typically up/down voted by others and then displayed underneath the question post ordered by highest positive vote count rather than time ordered https://indieweb.org/poll
# capjamesg[d] Ah, I was hoping for an IndieWeb example.
# capjamesg[d] The use case is I had a question earlier and would loved to facilitate IndieWeb responses.
# capjamesg[d] A reply with the text Yes / No could possibly be a way to build a poll.
# capjamesg[d] [chrisaldrich] What do you think about my repurposing jamesg.coffee to only show a feed of my coffee posts, linking to my own site?
# capjamesg[d] I think you had a similar idea.
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