#indieweb 2022-02-11

2022-02-11 UTC
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "On Taking Notes and Choosing Tools" https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2022/02/on-taking-notes-and-choosing-tools/
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[tantek]
Twitter is semi-broken for me
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[tantek]
even tabs which already had a tweet permalink loaded before are reloading, either with errors, or going someplace else like twitter.com/explore
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[tantek]
also somehow logged out
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[tantek]
I'd suggest *not* activating any twitter tabs you might have open for a while because I think the way they reload you end up losing history (i.e. where you were)
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barnaby
tweetdeck’s working as usual
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Loqi
barnaby: GWG left you a message on 2021-08-20 at 4:17am UTC: Your SSL cert is expired.
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[tantek]
that message is expired 😛
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barnaby
ha ha true! although my cert does need renewing again soon
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aaronpk
twitter is so broken right now
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barnaby
is not looking forward to twitter’s announced “update” to tweetdeck
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barnaby
it’s so nice to have a reliable twitter UI free of ads and algorithms
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[snarfed]
barnaby++ definitely! similar: https://snarfed.org/2019-11-09_39345
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Loqi
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Loqi
[Ryan Barrett] A few days ago, I unfollowed everyone on Twitter, added them all to a list, and I now read that list instead. It’s shockingly better. Only their own tweets and retweets, in order. No ads, no “liked by,” no “people you may know,” no engageme...
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[tonz]
Twitter itself is very broken imo, in Tweetdeck where I only follow a range of keywords and #tags, as well as a few individual accounts it’s doable. Unless they “update” that into a mess as well. For a while I pulled everything I needed in through their API into my own database, but no longer worth it it feels.
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[snarfed]
[tonz] some of us still do that via https://granary.io/ or (if you have an API key) https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/
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Loqi
friendly reminder [tonz] [snarfed], we try to keep jargon (API, database, ATOM) out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?
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[snarfed]
yeah fair
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[tonz]
general question, in microsub how would you conceptually describe a channel? Classis feed readers have folders, mutually exclusive. I’ve heard them describe as ‘similar to slack channels’ but I don’t get what that practically means when it comes to feed reading. How would you describe a microsub channel, and its differences to a folder structure?
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aaronpk
similar to slack channels sounds about right to me, and that's how i treat them too, just as different streams of posts that i dip in and out of
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jacky
in in the vein of folders, I could also see it as a single-nesting of folders
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[tonz]
[jacky] [aaronpk] to me microsub channels seem the same as folders, so when people say it’s like slack that to me implies they see them different from folders. But I don’t yet grasp what difference they’re expressing in that case. I now organise my folders by social distance (a group of feeds from closest contacts, then wider circles up to ‘people I don’t know but who have interesting blogs’.) what for instance are your choices
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[tonz]
channels you have?
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jacky
so I haven't reorganized my channels _yet_ but I think I can write something up (it'd also include some ideas I have on how to filter / sort feeds)
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jacky
agh I need to work on my formatting but https://jacky.wtf/2022/02/11/20-MVHcT2-E3N
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jacky
(my site is under a lot of hammers and nails on the backend)
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jacky
tl;dr (or too messy): the channels are built based on the kind of stuff I wanna see in them versus my relationship to people in them
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jacky
tbh I could do both content-specific filtering _and_ relationship-based filtering but the content part is easier (for now, I could see me using my /contacts to build a special one for that)
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jacky
I hope that makes sense [tonz]
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[tonz]
Thank you [jacky] that helps. From your description I take that your sorting by content type has a frequency and nutrition value dimension it seems, and maybe a context one too (podcasts probably consumed in a different setting, and reading articles is a different type of reading than tweets e.g.) ?
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capjamesg[d]
I like that description / classification of channels.
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capjamesg[d]
I had never thought about them that way.
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capjamesg[d]
I use channels to segment content by category but in practice I just browse my “all” aggregate feed.
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capjamesg[d]
My server publishes that feed as a combination of everything and I have set that as the default for my client.
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capjamesg[d]
But breaking things up into channels does help for classification.
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jacky
[tonz]: ideally! some readers can do this, monocle is great with photos, articles and notes so it's been good for that
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capjamesg[d]
And I previously had a hook that sent new posts in a channel into a Discord server.
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capjamesg[d]
I like having a separate channel for notifications and podcasts.
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capjamesg[d]
I’d love to see a Microsub reader with great built in podcast support.
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jacky
capjamesg[d]: this is def the final result of thinking that [tantek] kicked off I think about two years (when was the last IWC in Portland? wow) ago about focusing on people and not feeds
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Loqi
hey [tonz] capjamesg[d]: it looks like this conversation is getting pretty technical (content type, Microsub), can you take it to #indieweb-dev?
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capjamesg[d]
Yep! People deserve the focus in a social reader.
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barnaby
what would you look for in a microsub podcast reader?
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barnaby
I’ve not yet found a podcast app UI which I prefer over downloading the audio files and queueing them up in VLC
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capjamesg[d]
barnaby I’m not sure just yet.
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capjamesg[d]
To be honest pocket casts has suited my needs just fine.
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jacky
yeah for now, I use Plex for managing my podcasts (before gpodder and antennapod)
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capjamesg[d]
But I would like better podcast support in my feed reader because I’m in it already to read feeds.
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jacky
I def do like seeing show notes and that associated metadata
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[tonz]
Yes people focus is why I order by social distance and rename feeds to author names not site titles. Ideally I would like to also have a community view and segments thereof (what are indieweb folks talking about this week, but also what are people in berlin or indieweb people in berlin posting, before a trip there) and one level above that: alerts when a community is suddenly more active, as if something important happened, more like a
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[tonz]
new hotspot on a heatmap
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capjamesg[d]
I love that idea!
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