#indieweb 2022-06-03

2022-06-03 UTC
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IWDiscordGateway
<person> I have a question about the indieweb wiki login blocking subdomains:
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IWDiscordGateway
<person> > The IndieWeb wiki requires that you use your own domain to log in rather than a subdomain of someone else's domain
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IWDiscordGateway
<person> Why is this? What's the benefit or philosophy behind not allowing subdomains from participating in the IndieWeb wiki?
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[snarfed]
person: the IndieWeb encourages full, pay-level domains so that you can fully own your readers and migrate across hosts when necessary
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aaronpk
It's supposed to block subdomains of major hosting providers like WordPress.com, not like your own subdomain of your own domain
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[echo]
read the wiki, but still confused- is the requirement for a self-owned domain for login a security measure or a philosophical one or both? b/c if former that would be nice to know lol
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[tw2113_Slack_]
do you mean like a dashboard to log in to?
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[tw2113_Slack_]
or just a domain that you can control the files for?
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[tw2113_Slack_]
i mean, an index.html file that you edit and create a site with, and serve at mydomain.com...that counts as a self-owned domain
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[tw2113_Slack_]
it's literally 1 file, but it's yours
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[echo]
> I have a question about the indieweb wiki login blocking subdomains
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[echo]
log into the wiki, as per this statement from person:
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[tw2113_Slack_]
that part i'm not sure of
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old
Ello, in general, would you consider indieweb fun to be a part of? I really like Plag/Plague awhile ago before it "became" Sola/Steemit, just wonderin if this is more similar to Plag I guess
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jacky
I think it's like aaronpk mentioned; as a security measure
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jacky
like sure, one can go to DNSImple, Hover, Namechamp, etc and buy a domain name
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jacky
but they can also go to tumblr, wordpress, etc and get a subdomain without paying anything
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jacky
that + a malicious actor = spam on the wiki
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jacky
we could mitigate that somehow but I don't know the capabilities of MW
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jacky
(like for example, a need to get a thumbs up from two other people on the wiki in order to get edit access)
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[CrowderSoup]
I think spamming the wiki would be the biggest concern for sure. It would only take one bad actor to make a mess. I know that MW has permissions built in, I'm sure something like you're suggesting could be implemented jacky. Basically you'd just have read permissions until you were somehow "verified".
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jacky
if only we have something for VOUCHing people (lol)
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sknebel
Right now the wiki login blocks known shared domains
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sknebel
I.e. GitHub.io
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[echo]
gotcha
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[CrowderSoup]
A vouch would be awesome honestly, haha.
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[echo]
what is vouch?
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Loqi
The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention that can also be used to customize how your site accepts responses from different audiences https://indieweb.org/Vouch
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cambridgeport90
Is it currently possible to change the email address of a user on indieweb.social at the admin level? I can't seemingly access it anymore via any of the records in my password manager, and the email address it goes with isn't currently set up. (at lest I think; can't even remember now which email I used for it, only that it's an SMTP Proxy of my own domain.)
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sknebel
cambridgeport90: I dont think anyone here knows, indieweb.social (as far as I know) as nothing to do with any regular here
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cambridgeport90
If it could be changed to my primary one, which is kmmoss@cambridgeport90.org, that would be good. (I can send that to a public chat since it's in my public contact card anyways.)
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cambridgeport90
It's a Mastodon instance populated with mostly Indieweb people, and it's run by somebody who's affiliated, but I never can tell whether those affiliated have an actual chat name up here. Dang. Looks like I'm setting up that proxy once again. Which is just as well. I have to go in there anyway and set up a bunch of mailboxes.
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[tantek]
[sknebel] cambridgeport90 I'm pretty sure the admin for indieweb.social is here in this chat.
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[tantek]
what is indieweb.social
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Loqi
indieweb.social is a Mastodon instance that has (semi?)open sign-ups so anyone (like beyond the community) might have an account there, and was started with the intent of adding and enabling IndieWeb standards as proof of how Mastodon could federate with sites in general, beyond other Mastodon sites https://indieweb.org/indieweb.social
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[tantek]
hmm, I thought we had documented contacts/admins there, we should
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cambridgeport90
I know that Tim Chambers is one of them, but not sure who else has an admin role up there.
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[tantek]
yes! that's who I was thinking of [timothy_chambe]
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[tantek]
indieweb.social << Got questions? Ask Tim Chambers in [[discuss|chat]].
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Loqi
ok, I added "Got questions? Ask Tim Chambers in [[discuss|chat]]." to a brand new "See Also" section of /indieweb.social https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=81793&oldid=73077
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cambridgeport90
Love seeing wiki updates... my task for tonight will be updating my site itself, which has languished for a few months in this weird error state with rogue files showing up in the logs.
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cambridgeport90
that's why you haven't seen anything from me in the past few days.
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AramZ-S[m]
@[chrisaldrich] The Reading.am thing is really interesting!
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AramZ-S[m]
Very much my /jam/
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[hollie]
Yeah I just discovered reading.am and think it's so cool! So bummed it's going to die! I wish I had the tech know-how to save it or help it or something.
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IWDiscordGateway
<sunset> i agree :(
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AramZ-S[m]
Wait, it is going to die?
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AramZ-S[m]
oh, that's sad. It's so smooth. I wish they'd open source it at least. I'm curious.
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[tantek]
might be worth reaching out if you think you could find another steward for the site
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AramZ-S[m]
I could not find another steward than myself, and Leppert looks like someone who can afford hosting better than I can, but I would be willing to do the work to open source it. That's a good idea [tantek], I'll see what Greg is willing to do.
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[tantek]
AramZ-S thanks! Also another options might be to see if there's enough interest here to make it an IndieWeb service that a bunch of people would help run (no single point of failure)
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[tantek]
(open sourced either way of course)
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[hollie]
Someone asked him about this on Twitter:
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@leppert
@sillygwailo Iā€™d certainly be open to it but everything is pretty crusty by now. Would probably need a few days of full-time work just updating the dependencies to make it maintainable again.
(twitter.com/_/status/1532367012244209665)
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[tantek]
^ sounds like a typical OSS project anyway
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AramZ-S[m]
Shot him an email and a tweet
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AramZ-S[m]
it wouldn't be the first time I took some crusty old code and pushed it into a modern open source situation.
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Loqi
hey [tantek], AramZ-S[m]: we try to keep jargon (OSS, open source) out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?
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[tantek]
lol true
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[chrisaldrich]
AramZ-S, as a long time user, and coming from an IndieWeb perspective, it would be interesting to see Reading.am converted into a Micropub client that can post reads, listens, and watches to one's own website. This would get rid of the problem of needing to pay the bandwidth and hosting costs for the data and could leverage the existing infrastructure for posting via email, bookmarklet, etc.
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AramZ-S[m]
Yeah, it's easy to see some interesting ways to expand it like that, or with ActivityPub or even Hyper
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Loqi
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[Chris_Lott]
[chrisaldrich] ++ for that kind of change for reading.am!