#indieweb 2022-06-20

2022-06-20 UTC
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[Simon_Gray] Hm... I'm trying to implement rel=me links, but Twitter intercepts my link back to my website, replacing it with its own t.co link that redirects to my website. This happens both when I put the link in the description and in the website filed. This makes the validation fail on https://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsimon.grays.blog
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[Simon_Gray] Is there any way around this issue?
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Zegnat [Simon_Gray]: no, I do not think there is a way around it anymore that we know of. I think some RelMe parsers have opted to follow the redirect instead? Not sure how the indiewebify.me validator should handle this.
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Zegnat The Twitter thing comes up every once in a while, one dated update on the wiki is from 2018 (!!!) https://indieweb.org/rel-me#Twitter
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Zegnat If you have any ideas how to overcome it, of course open a GitHub issue, put it in the wiki section, or just brainstorm here in chat :) I would recommend #indieweb-dev for that discussion though
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[KevinMarks] rel-me resolution should always follow redirects; the issue is also that twitter removed the rel=me from their links (even on the intent page, where it lasted longer than the main user page)
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[Simon_Gray] another question: how do people feel about including `mailto:` in rel=me? Isn't exposing your email address just an invitation to get spam?
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[KevinMarks] my email has been out there a long time already so I'm not sure it makes much difference
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aaronpk Same
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GWG I have no problem with it being on my site.... but I worry about automated scraping of it
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GWG At one time, I think I obfuscated it.
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aaronpk I used to do that but I gave up on trying to hide it ages ago
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GWG Same... I just put up a contact form and left it at that
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Zegnat I think mine has been in plaintext on my site since day 1, and I do not feel I am getting that much extra spam beccause of it
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GWG There's a case for doing it, I suppose
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GWG Do I want people emailing me though? I get too much email
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Zegnat That is the other side of it, yeah, haha
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GWG I just deleted an account I never used so the service would stop sending me emails
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GWG That reminds me, someone asked a question... Is Indiewebifying a word?
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[fluffy] On my h-card I provide my email address but random characters are %-encoded which is technically valid and trips up spam harvesters. Unfortunately it also trips up some of the h-card parsers.
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[KevinMarks] Sounds like a good addition to the test cases then
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] yes link it (WP Social Reader to IW /social_reader)
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[tantek] [fluffy] sounds like a good #indieweb-dev or #microformats topic since it involves "encoding" and "parsers"
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[tantek] (I don't expect users to understand that as a method for working around spam, at least not enough to actually get predictably right)
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[fluffy] Yeah, I was just saying it as a thing that I do and wasn’t intending to go into further details
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