#indieweb 2022-08-07

2022-08-07 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "People-Focused Communication" https://david.shanske.com/2022/08/06/people-focused-communication/
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[tantek] 👀
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GWG [tantek]: I figured your post from 2014 needed revisiting
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[tantek] it does
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[tantek] you linked to a github repo of share urls which is not really the same as comms
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GWG [tantek]: I can remove that, it was an example of places that have such things.
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GWG [tantek]: Hopefully mine restarting that conversation
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[tantek] but it doesn't have "such things" that's my point. URLs for comms are NOT the same "such things" as URLs for "sharing"
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GWG [tantek]: Removed it regardless
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[tantek] your post asked lots of good questions
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[tantek] most of which AFAIK do not have good answers
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GWG [tantek]: I know. But at least, I'm adding some communications links to my site.
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[tantek] nice
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[tantek] are you going to put them on your /contact page or somewhere else? and if so, what's the use-case for a separate web form submission and comm links?
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GWG [tantek]: No one ever uses the form. I might just give up on it.
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[tantek] I have wondered about that
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[tantek] it's such a common pattern, but is it even remotely useful?
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[tw2113_Slack_] are we talking about comment forms?
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[tw2113_Slack_] aversion to "comment sections" is pretty pervasive
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GWG [tw2113_Slack_]: Contact Form.
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[tw2113_Slack_] ah
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jeremycherfas I find they are sometimes the only way to contact someone who does not make their email known. But only as a last resort.
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Zegnat I feel like contact forms are really just an anti-spam measure where you are hoping to keep your email address out of spammer circulation.
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GWG Pretty much
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aaronpk Or if you have specific questions you want to ask
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GWG After yesterday's session, I decided I might want to add a terms of service page to my cite, despite having no legal basis to do so. https://david.shanske.com/terms-of-service/ What do you think of this?
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> GWG I like it! You could include a link to your contact info if you wanted to make it easier for people to ask questions, but also it's on your website so they should be able to find it 😉
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GWG I need to update my contact page also
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> the website to do list is never ending 😉
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GWG I was writing about it last night
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GWG No one ever uses my contact form.
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GWG I thought of adding some alternatives.
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GWG I considered Telegram. I barely use it, but it integrates into Pidgin.
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GWG So, it's a secondary method, but one that I can always turn off notifications on
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> https://indieweb.org/Telegram
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GWG I also found an option to send a message using a variety of services to me.
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> I have seen people encourage contact via Slack so seems appropriate to offer a messaging channel if it works for you
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> do you not want to list email for junk reasons?
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GWG Mostly junk. I get too much email anyway.
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GWG Besides, I have a form there which does send me an email. No one ever uses it.
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> I wonder how much people use any contact form -- I suspect you're not alone in people not using yours
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> when I see them on a business page I assume it will go into the abyss and I'll never hear back
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> haven't encountered contact forms as much with individuals
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> on my blog I was getting too much junk email so I just told people to leave a comment on my about page 😂 got a handful 🤷‍♀️
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GWG So, messaging may be a good idea.
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GWG How do you like to be found?
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> I gave in and added email back since that's my contact method preference, haven't suffered as much junk as five-whatever years ago so far 🤞
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> I just added a privacy policy to my site.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> https://jamesg.blog/privacy/
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> I like the way you describe your server logs
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> I also think it's good to open with your general philosophy
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> I'm open to any feedback / ideas!
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> !tell [ChrisAldrich] It's hard for me to click the "acquisition" link on your site homepage. It overlaps with another link.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Aw loqi!
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capjamesg !tell [ChrisAldrich] It's hard for me to click the "acquisition" link on your site homepage. It overlaps with another link.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Here is a question to everyone thinking about those contact links: do you feel like order matters? How would you communicate to someone which channels you might prefer over others?
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Zegnat That is something I know I thought about when doing my website, and is why Messenger comes before email, and IRC after email.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Here is my contact page: https://jamesg.blog/contact/
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> (I just fixed it up!)
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> I don't list a lot of my contact information on my site.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> I do have some preamble about email being my preferred method of communication.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> And on reflection, I should remove Instagram because I'm not using it.
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