#indieweb 2022-08-08

2022-08-08 UTC
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charmonium[m] Is Microformats2 preferred to RDFa?
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gRegor what is rdfa?
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Loqi RDFa is a way of embedding RDF in HTML that has maybe one or a few publishers on the indieweb, but no known consuming use-cases, perhaps due to being unnecessarily more verbose than Microformats as demonstrated by the example documented at kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html https://indieweb.org/RDFa
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gRegor Probably more on topic for #indieweb-dev or #microformats. Generally the question would be what application is consuming it
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[tantek] tos-- tosdr++
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[tantek] I really dislike the idea of a TOS for indieweb sites as it seems like a bad adoption of something very corporate and very legalese framed, instead of something actually independent and frankly community positive.
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[tantek] a TOS governs transactions. instead, an IndieWeb site should focus on relationships & sustainable community IMO
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GWG [tantek]: I agree re the name, I just felt I needed, like the privacy policy, some sort of license info.
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[jgmac1106] Nor do I need to agree to TOS to visit a site. Joining my site I see nor problem with TOS and CoC
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[jgmac1106] If you are storing any user data from your personal site you may want a TOS (or don't store user data)
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GWG I don't want people to agree.
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[tantek] "If you are storing any user data from your personal site" -> privacy policy, that's whole point. You don't need a TOS for that.
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[tantek] TOS presumes your site is offering a "service" that you need to get users/readers of your site to "agree to". Like GWG said, we really should not be doing anything that we need to get "people to agree" to explicitly.
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[tantek] GWG, license info is for the content of the site, which can be done with a very brief copyright statement, linked to a "common" copyright license (like any CC) with rel-license
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[tantek] again, there should not be a use-case for any TOS for any IndieWeb personal site. If you build a site that actually offers a *service* e.g. Bridgy, Webmention.heroku, OwnYourSwarm, then yes, writing down expectations of what the service will do for users (especially (semi-)automatically) is a good way of being transparent.
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[tantek] your blog shouldn’t need it tho
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[snarfed] tantek++
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[snarfed] mostly unrelated data point, I wrote Bridgy's ToS just weeks or months ago, it's almost certainly bad, but it was at least entertaining. https://brid.gy/about#terms
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[tantek] what is a ToS
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ToS" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "ToS is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] hmm
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[aciccarello] There's /disclosure which covers privacy, cookies, and TOS
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[tantek] yeah, might be worth breaking those out so we can clarify which apply to indieweb sites and which don't
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[tantek] will take that to meta
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[tantek] apropos of nothing, this expression popped into my head: "no blog is an island"
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[tantek] context: the difference between "old school author-centered blogs" (all about just the author(s) of the blog, where everyone else is a second class commenter), with the peer-to-peer vision of the IndieWeb, where everyone is an author of their own site, and comments/commentary are *between* sites, not a "gathering" or a "community" of secondary contributors in deference to a primary author/authority/site-owner
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[tantek] also as an encouragement to figure out and support inter-blog connections (via Webmention etc.) rather than be so focused on "local comments" and the like
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> [tantek] I feel like that should be documented on the wiki 🙂
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> (the thought process too!)
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[tantek]2 what is the differences
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "differences" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "differences is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]2 what is different
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Loqi The indieweb is different from previous efforts like blogging, federation, decentralization, etc https://indieweb.org/different
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[tantek]2 differences is /different
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Loqi ok
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[tantek]2 capjamesg, how's this? https://indieweb.org/different#No_blog_is_an_island
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