#indieweb 2022-10-27

2022-10-27 UTC
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[tantek] 44 hours until Elon owns Twitter. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_acquisition_of_Twitter_by_Elon_Musk for a possible update.
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2022-10-28 1:48pm PDT (#6980)
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[tantek] ~12min off but close enough
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[schmarty] Time enough to pop some popcorn
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[tantek] Should we do a big push for people to start posting their notes to their personal site in anticipation?
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[tantek] WDYT [KevinMarks] [benatwork], is Friday 2pm enough time to start “minimum viable” posting all your tweets (incl replies) to your own site first?
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[tantek] Even if it is semi-manual to start? (Which it was for me, and still is if you count using scp as “manual”)
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[tantek] GWG, I checked your Twitter timeline and couldn't tell when there were tweets without perma(short)links if that was because you turned it off for those posts or if you directly tweeted them. I suppose if the tweet permalink says "Bridgy" next to the date then that's a clue
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ash[m] does TSileo hang out here any more or does anyone know where is a good place to catch them for casual chatting about microblog.pub?
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[jgmac1106] Mornign all
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capjamesg Morning!
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[Sam_Butler] Can someone give me an update, on how folks in the Indieweb community (and related circles) are preparing/reacting to the Twitter circle? Is there more emphasis for PESOS/POSSE? Are there any worthwhile communities starting up in places like Mastodon? Are people hoping the AT Protocol will work out?
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[Sam_Butler] *reacting to the Twitter acquisition/transition
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epoch I've been in the fediverse (mastodon, pleroma, etc) for a couple years now, and if you follow the right people there's a lot of interesting discussion
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epoch I didn't use twitter, so I'm not sure what twitter users would be expecting.
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epoch there are some huge techology focused instances, but larger is worse in some cases
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epoch the main reason I picked the one I did was because I can reach the admin over IRC and they are fairly neutral in the case of server-level blocks
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epoch though I would kind of expect the indieweb to try to encourage something less messy than activity pub
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epoch there's twtxt
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epoch I've seen people doing POSSE in the fediverse
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epoch well, person.
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[tantek] [Sam_Butler] there seems to be an uptick in the interest and mentions of POSSE. Recently it's the second-most viewed page on indieweb.org (second only to the home page), and mentions of / links to /POSSE spiked up this past week on Twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Findieweb.org%2FPOSSE&src=typed_query&f=live
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[tantek] Note that in the event of any silo unreliability/disruptions, a PESOS approach won't work, so we haven't really seen any interest in that in the context of the likely Twitter acquisition/transition.
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[tantek] I have this vague memory from last night's HWC of once again criticizing tweetstorms. Turns out someone blogged about it very recently too: https://pierre.equoy.fr/blog/posts/2022/10/stop-writing-twitter-threads/
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[tantek] tweetstorm << Criticism: 2022-10-25 [https://pierre.equoy.fr/blog/posts/2022/10/stop-writing-twitter-threads/ Stop writing Twitter threads!] <blockquote>First of all, it is really, really hard to read. The people who posted these had to hash their writings into <s>farts</s> <s>twats</s> tweets of 280 characters or less. Each tweet is displayed independently, and the reader has to make a cognitive effort to follow the flow. </blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: 2022-10-25 [https://pierre.equoy.fr/blog/posts/2022/10/stop-writing-twitter-threads/ Stop writing Twitter threads!] <blockquote>First of all, it is really, really hard to read. The people who posted these had to hash their writings into <s>farts</s> <s>twats</s> tweets of 280 characters or less. Each tweet is displayed independently, and the reader has to make a cognitive effort to follow the flow. </blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /tweetstorm https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84036&oldid=79061
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[tantek] (found via analytics on the /POSSE page)
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[snarfed] fortunately for Twitter specifically, their API approval is much more open now, and API v2 adds and fixes a ton of stuff, and it sounds like Elon is for that too, so that at least is positive for Twitter POSSE/PESOS
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[tantek] that's a good point snarfed. presumably "more open APIs" would fit into a vision/direction of a "more open" (less moderated?) Twitter. even if it does mean noisier
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Loqi friendly reminder [snarfed] [tantek], would you mind moving this conversation (API, APIs) to #indieweb-dev? thanks!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://tracydurnell.com/2022/10/27/resdiscovering-timeless-posts/
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[jgarber] https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1585687179543576584
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@SwiftOnSecurity The web-ring is coming back baby, we're going HTML mode no CSS just tables (twitter.com/_/status/1585687179543576584)
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tommorris now passkeys are going mainstream (Safari support in iOS16 and the recently released macOS Ventura, Android support in beta), I'm curious how indieauth's gonna play with passkeys/webauthn. [[Web Authentication]] says "WebAuthn doesn't replace the need for IndieAuth" but how feasible is it for someone to use a passkey to login (e.g. on the indieweb wiki or elsewhere). it'd be nice to have a non-silo option for indieauth.
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[schmarty] tommorris: i've been thinking about this, too! gonna take it to #indieweb-dev since it's dev-heavy.
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tommorris good plan
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[tantek] welcome back tommorris++
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Loqi tommorris has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (5 in all channels)
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[tantek] are there any examples or theories about how IndieWeb usage / posting helps fight misinformation/disinformation? I feel like there is / should be, even if it's only in contrast to silo amplification of misinformation
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[tantek] there's also a potential collective/community angle to it as well, beyond "only" individual websites, that this article hints at: https://www.wired.com/story/wikipedia-state-sponsored-disinformation/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://tracydurnell.com/2022/10/27/deciding-what-belongs-on-my-website/
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[tantek] does anyone want to participate in a blog posting push to encourage folks to post on their own sites instead of Twitter? I feel if a bunch of us do it, it could have an impact with the timing of the next 24 hours or so
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capjamesg I can participate.
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capjamesg But only if having a Twitter account is not a requirement, as I do not have one.
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[KevinMarks] as you pointed out, I need to get my own house in order first
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] even writing about the challenges you have encountered would be useful
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[tantek] There's a lot of room here for collective sympathy/empathy and helping others feel like they are not alone on this journey
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[Murray] Speaking of, does anyone have any good suggestions for this kind of archiving of Twitter: https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/1585678702553309186?s=20&t=CX4JukUv_31s1cvwq1TOyQ
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@SaraSoueidan @m_ott Hey Matthias! Do you have a detailed writeup about how you created this archive of your tweets? https://matthiasott.com/tweets/ I love that it updates throughout the day! I wanna do the same and am too lazy to google how :P so maybe a blog post can help me & others? 🙈 (twitter.com/_/status/1585678702553309186)
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[tantek] what is backfill
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Loqi backfill is the action of importing all your past posts, typically from a social media silo, into your own site https://indieweb.org/backfill
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[tantek] [Murray] maybe some more info there ^
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[Murray] Thanks, I did take a look but didn't really see anything
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gRegor It will vary depending what your site is running on. There might be some tools (maybe more dev-centric though) on https://indieweb.org/Twitter#How_to_export_your_data
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gRegor Footer says "Powered by Tweet Nest" (https://pongsocket.com/tweetnest/) but the link is 404 now
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tommorris [tantek]: good to be back, I've been noodling in the wiki adding bits and pieces :)
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gRegor What was Tweet Nest?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Tweet Nest" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Tweet Nest is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor checks internet archive
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gRegor [Murray], if that footer is still correct for Matthias' tweets page, looks like it's this (archived) software: https://github.com/graulund/tweetnest/
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gRegor Probably not a good approach now unless someone has forked it and kept it up to date.
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[Murray] Yeah, he's already responded to Sara about it 😅 That's why I thought I'd ask here, see if anyone else had something similar (or had even forked it)
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gRegor oh, sorry missed that
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[Murray] nw, thanks for tracking it down; good sleuthing! 😊
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[benatwork] made a fun quick thing to see if I could; only really works well on desktop right now https://web8.technology
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aaronpk omg ben