#indieweb 2022-10-28

2022-10-28 UTC
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[tantek] uhh what
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[benatwork] fully self-hosted; doesn't call any exterior APIs; really wants to see you smile
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[benatwork] anyway, hi, happy halloween, have a lovely evening
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[tantek] that's some trick
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> stumbled across this person's collection of twitter threads archived to their website https://culturaltutor.com/the-library
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IWDiscordGateway <tracydurnell> actually, it looks like it's just the first tweet of each of their threads 🤦‍♀️
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[tantek] Twitter << 2022-10-27 WaPo: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/27/twitter-elon-musk/ Elon Musk closes Twitter deal and fires top executives] / Musk’s $44 billion deal to acquire the social media company closed on Thursday night <blockquote>The top executives were hastily escorted out of the company’s San Francisco headquarters.</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "2022-10-27 WaPo: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/27/twitter-elon-musk/ Elon Musk closes Twitter deal and fires top executives] / Musk’s $44 billion deal to acquire the social media company closed on Thursday night <blockquote>The top executives were hastily escorted out of the company’s San Francisco headquarters.</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84057&oldid=83152
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sknebel https://hackaday.com/2022/10/27/a-collection-of-websites-that-look-like-desktops/
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[jgmac1106] Anyone around evening hours next week Eastern EU times? I am kinda active in NAFO community and many want to learn about IndieWeb with Musk purchase
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[jgmac1106] Going to do a pop up event.
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capjamesg We have a HWC London / Europe meetup online next Wednesday.
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capjamesg https://events.indieweb.org/2022/11/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-dnczovO1K7Z0
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capjamesg Oh, I missed the pop up thing.
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capjamesg I could maybe join a pop up. When are you thinking?
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[KevinMarks] This is very good https://v21.io/blog/notes-on-twitter
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capjamesg Quick warning about the background colour on that page. It's very bright and I think it makes it hard to read the content.
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aaronpk oh gosh that's terrible
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aaronpk it's like what you do if you want to create an optical illusion
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[KevinMarks] Also “The essential truth of every social network is that the product is content moderation, and everyone hates the people who decide how content moderation works” https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation
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petermolnar Ever since WWII some of these issues don't exist in most of Europe: we all know there are things that must be banned.
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petermolnar wrong chat, sorry
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petermolnar (if anyone wants to reply, please do it in -chat and not here)
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[jgmac1106] ↩️ Perfect!!
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[tantek] has anyone played around with nitter.net?
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[aciccarello] I think I've tried using it before but struggled to get it to load
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[aciccarello] That would have been a while ago though
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[tantek] cool, just discovered we already have a /Nitter page, added a few things. aciccarello, asuh feel free to add your experience, perhaps in an Issues section
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[tantek] https://indieweb.org/Nitter
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jacky [manton]: have you seen https://www.yelp.com/dataset? might be interesting for your project
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jacky I could see this being used for other indieweb projects too
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jacky it's quite restricted tho
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jacky > Currently, the metropolitan areas centered on Montreal, Calgary, Toronto, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Urbana-Champaign, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Madison, and Cleveland, are included in the dataset.
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[tantek] what is Meridian
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Loqi Meridian is an open source project to provide a places database and API based on OpenStreetMap https://indieweb.org/Meridian
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[tantek] that project ?
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jacky yeah!
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[manton] I hadn’t seen that Yelp data. Looks interesting. Not sure what license covers it but sounds like non-commercial use only.
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tommorris [tantek]: if you use Reeder for Mac (RSS reader), it lets you subscribe to Twitter accounts and uses Nitter’s rss feed. Means you can rather seamlessly subscribe by just putting in a Twitter username.
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jacky wow
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[tantek] ^ that's a reasonable feature request for any reader, e.g. Monocle (cc: aaronpk). E.g. paste any Twitter URL and have it hardcoded to subscribe via Nitter or Granary
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aaronpk yeah i like it
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[tantek] finally watched the 2min micro.blog intro video and it's so heartwarming! [manton]++
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Loqi [manton] has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (28 in all channels)
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[tantek] !tell [manton] is there a "How to transition from Twitter to micro.blog" post / help article somewhere? Do you have an in-progress draft that you could finish-up and post today?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor Found https://help.micro.blog/t/import-from-twitter/949/2
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gRegor micro.blog imports https://indieweb.org/blog_archive_format, so would be cool to have a tool that took your Twitter export and made it that format.
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gRegor I requested my Twitter export to see what that might entail
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[manton] [tantek] Thanks! That video is a little out of date, but hopefully still captures the feel of everything even a couple screenshots and details have changed.
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[manton] We also used to have an actual “import from Twitter” feature, but I disabled it because it kind of created a mess if someone had 10k tweets. Most people regretted running the import. 🙂
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[manton] I know Twitter changed their tweets.zip format at some point in the last couple of years. It does have JSON but is mostly designed to be a standalone mini site that you could host as-is somewhere else or run locally.
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[tantek] Interesting, I wonder if that indicates a UX challenge for backfills in general
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[tantek] There's a common misconception that to follow people on Mastodon, you must be "on Mastodon" which is quite false
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[tantek] e.g. people have no idea that you can follow people on Mastodon from your micro.blog, so I'm sharing this article a lot: https://www.manton.org/2018/11/07/microblog-mastodon.html
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[tantek] oh now I'm curious if I already have an @@ "address" via my micro.blog or if I managed to set that up
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[schmarty] tantek: you can check from your account settings page. replies from you to mastodon users don't seem to work for non-hosted-at-micro.blog blogs at the moment because there's no 'in-reply-to'
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[tantek] [schmarty] I'm not even that far yet, I'm trying to see if Mastodon users can follow an @@ address from micro.blog for me
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[schmarty] tantek: for sure. that's where you need to check your account settings page. there's a section for "setting your activitypub name"
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Loqi [schmarty]: I don't mean to be a bother, but in-reply-to, ActivityPub seems like a better conversation for #indieweb-dev
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[schmarty] maybe, Loqi! maybe!
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[tantek] see I was trying!
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[tantek] we should be able to discuss this as users without mentioning AP
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[tantek] see #indieweb-dev for the AP-specific chat 🙂
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Loqi definitely
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[schmarty] it's in the interface! https://notes.martymcgui.re/media/17/77/a4/67/c402e898b02d04679de700fd8152d313c0ed564e773da73d6250bfbd.png
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[tantek] [manton] it says on https://micro.blog/account/mastodon that "Your username cannot be changed later without losing your Mastodon followers." — is that really true? What I mean is, doesn’t micro.blog have the ability to "forward" any requests to an @@micro.blog username to another domain?
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[schmarty] whoops non-public URL
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[schmarty] https://media.martymcgui.re/17/77/a4/67/c402e898b02d04679de700fd8152d313c0ed564e773da73d6250bfbd.png
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[tantek] I'm wondering if there's any downside to setting up @/t @micro.blog and then later trying to change it to @/tantek @tantek.com (ignore the "/" chars, there to stop Slack from over-auto-linking)
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Loqi Elon owns Twitter. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_acquisition_of_Twitter_by_Elon_Musk for a possible update.
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Loqi Countdown set by [tantek] on 2022-10-26 at 5:48pm PDT
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[schmarty] lol
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gRegor womp womp
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[manton] That Micro.blog warning is there because currently to rename the ActivityPub username, I have to delete it and create a new one. There may be a way to work around this in the future with new Mastodon features, but not totally sure yet.
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[tantek] I'm pretty sure that Mastodon has added migration protocols (in the past year) so it should be possible now
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[manton] Yes, I think so… I’m sure I’ll have to keep track of something extra. I don’t think Mastodon even lets you rename a username, but there is support for migrating between servers.
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[manton] [tantek] For your first question, yes, you can use the Micro.blog ActivityPub feature and it will forward any of the feeds you have set in Micro.blog to your followers. There are some limitations, though, like it doesn’t know how to handle replies from your own site.
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[manton] The change I made recently is to allow any account to have an whatever@micro.blog ActivityPub username. And if your domain is hosted on Micro.blog, it can also be you@yourdomain.com.
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[tantek] got it, so I could have @ t @ micro.blog for example today, right now, and people could follow my posts that way
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[manton] Yep.
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[manton] You could also have a “fake” hosted blog on Micro.blog, like micro.tantek.com or something like that, and then have t@micro.tantek.com. Might get a little weird.
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[manton] At that point, Bridgy Fed may be a better choice.
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[snarfed] for [tantek] and true power users, maybe yes. otherwise, I generally recommend Bridgy non-Fed
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[manton] Bridgy non-Fed needs an existing Mastodon account to forward to, right?
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[snarfed] right
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[manton] Cool, just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss anything… Yeah, I think some people like having a “real” Mastodon account, and some people don’t.
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[tantek] what is real
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Loqi How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.[1] https://indieweb.org/real
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ash[m] Can someone send a u-like-of webmention to any of the posts on acegiak.net from a source other than bridgy so I can see how mb.p is currently handling it?
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aaronpk 👍
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ash[m] Tack!
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ash[m] Interestingly that shows up in the current version as a webmention AND a like but then only shows you in the like list with the webmention list empty
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ash[m] And then it's also not handling likes and reposts from bridgy as anything other than just webmentions
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ash[m] Unless your site is also sending a like via the fediverse?
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aaronpk ohhh
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aaronpk it might be doing that
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ash[m] Ok cool that explains what I'm seeing
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ash[m] Ok so the webmentions aren't parsing the microformats markup atm
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aaronpk i thought my site would have only tried to send it one way, but i might be wrong about that
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ash[m] That's cool. I'll start implementing the mf stuff sometime soon
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