#indieweb 2022-10-29

2022-10-29 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Expanding the blogroll, owning my follows" https://tracydurnell.com/2022/10/28/expanding-the-blogroll/
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[tantek] TracyDurnell++
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Loqi TracyDurnell has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (21 in all channels)
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[tantek] hah amazing edited tweet history: https://twitter.com/leahculver/status/1578531997441351681/history
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@leahculver Elon Musk is… (tap the “✏️ Last edited” link below). https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578531997441351681 (twitter.com/_/status/1578531997441351681)
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aaronpk This feels appropriate for /why https://twitter.com/danielpunkass/status/1586125624632135680?s=46&t=zl2mshhVJM9Izwcpd5kDTA
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@danielpunkass In light of everything happening at Twitter, a lot of people are wondering "where to go next". May I suggest, and I am speaking to myself here too, that you invest in your own blog on your own domain? Own your own content, and share your thoughts independently of dingaling CEOs. (twitter.com/_/status/1586125624632135680)
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[tantek] aaronpk, indeed, and this longer piece by [benatwork] https://werd.io/2022/thinking-about-leaving-twitter
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[tantek] now what was that hashtag for leaving twitter...
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[tantek] checks trending topics 🙈
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sknebel https://beyondloom.com/decker/index.html this is fun
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[tantek] ash[m], re: https://twitter.com/acegiak/status/1586318468042805250 — DNS & the system of registrars is a socio-political solution, much more than a technical solution
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@acegiak so then it's pay-to-play or piggyback off someone else's domain and thus you're beholden to someone else again. There's no equitable technical solution. A social solution is required. (twitter.com/_/status/1586318468042805250)
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ash[m] Oh absolutely.
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[tantek] this is something that the entire web3/blockchain crowd misses, they focus on the technical aspect of DNS and completely ignore all the social, political, and frankly legal & regulatory apparatuses that are in place are key to have it function as a system
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ash[m] My conclusion is that it always falls back to social.
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[tantek] and then they handwave about somehow magically "blockchain" solves all socio-political problems (which it obviously doesn't). classic Nirvana fallacy example.
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Loqi friendly reminder [tantek], it looks like this conversation is getting pretty technical (blockchain, web3), can you take it to #indieweb-dev?
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[tantek] lol yes
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[tantek] ash[m], yes, any system where you have to manage a shared resource (a set of names) like that across lots of people requires a socio-political foundation, regardless of what technology is used
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[tantek] and speaking of "pay-to-play", the crypumpto crowd's proposals are much worse, "pump-dump-to-play"
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ash[m] Oh yeah, no I'm no cryptkiddie
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[tantek] Yup. Using that as a contrasting example
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ash[m] I'm just frustrated cause I want it to be easy to get friends set up with their own sites and technical problems are things that can be solved by one person (me), but if they don't want to pay money, which is the barrier of entry for domains, then we're back to social problems
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[tantek] there are social problems either way
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[tantek] I've given up on the "don't want to pay money" excuses, because they’re no different from not wanting to pay money for a phone number
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[tantek] annual cost of a domain name is a fraction of the annual cost of a phone number
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ash[m] That's legit
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[tantek] and if people don't think it's "worth" the cost, that's ok too. the challenge is not to lower the cost to zero but rather to increase the usefulness so that that fraction-of-a-phone-number-cost is easily considered worth it
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[tantek] part of that usefulness also requires reducing the unnecessary hassles in setup, and minimizing ongoing /admintax
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ash[m] Absolutely
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[timothy_chambe] Looks like about 50,000 new users to Mastodon servers since Elon's purchase...
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[timothy_chambe] https://indieweb.social/web/@Gargron@mastodon.social/109251489434726131
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Loqi [Eugen 💀] Update: 49,215 new users across different Mastodon servers since yesterday. Probably a lot of them are actually from yesterday. My crawler only runs once a day so I get a bit of a delayed view of things.
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[timothy_chambe] Indieweb.social is seeing 25-50 new users daily migrating over to it from Twitter.
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kuba_ hi
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capjamesg Hello kuba_!
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capjamesg https://twitter.com/PeterMu22490448/status/1585804370284871683
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@PeterMu22490448 All your tweets are belong to Musk (twitter.com/_/status/1585804370284871683)
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capjamesg That Tweet was quoted in The Guardian.
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capjamesg Source: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/27/twitter-reactions-elon-musk-takeover
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capjamesg (Note: I haven't read the whole article)
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Loqi [timothy_chambe] has 3 karma over the last year
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[tantek] [timothy_chambe]++ congrats on the growth to indieweb.social!
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[tantek] [timothy_chambe] ICYMI, I setup Bridgy Fed now so you can see if "@tantek.com@tantek.com" works for you.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] !tell [snarfed] is there a page on Bridgy Fed where I can view the number of followers for a particular @-@ username handled by Bridgy Fed? Or even an agregate view of "recent Bridgy Fed users / posts", like I think OwnYourGram used to do back in the day
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[KevinMarks] I followed you on xoxo.zone, t I don't see any posts
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] did you follow before after I posted? If you followed after I posted, then you're seeing expected behavior. AP does not show you posts from before you followed.
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[tantek] according to this log entry my most recent note was sent to xoxozone: https://fed.brid.gy/log?key=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2022%2F301%2Ft1%2Ftwittermigration-bridgyfed-mastodon-indieweb+https%3A%2F%2Fxoxo.zone%2Finbox&start_time=1667067873
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[KevinMarks] It is a lot more fragile than the old OStatus model with feeds and WebSub, certainly
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[tantek] certainly. that's partly what my most recent note gets into
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[snarfed] [tantek] no real Bridgy Fed UI or stats yet, no, either aggregate or per user
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[snarfed] as I mentioned the other day, after experience talking with lots of people about whether to use Bridgy or Bridgy Fed, 99% of people generally want and should use Bridgy. which (rightly!) extremely limits the Bridgy Fed user base, which disincentivizes me to develop it much
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slyduda testing to see if my chat-name works! :)
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slyduda sweet! it does. curious why others have brackets around their names? :thinking:
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[tantek] Brackets mean a Slack username
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slyduda got it! very cool :)
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