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# 01:45 Loqi [preview] [snarfed] #351 follow/unfollow UI? bterry1 and n8chz joined the channel
# 01:59 [tantek] [snarfed] I'm confused by the text "Add a follower". This sounds like I'm making someone else follow me, that can't be correct. # 02:20 [tantek] ah, got it. ok this looks pretty cool. Is this a UI to follow folks so you don't have to post a "follow post"? # 02:43 [snarfed] Yup, this avoids follow posts, which aren't widely supported. Details in the issue # 02:44 [snarfed] And yes, that follow specifically was early testing in prod, @-@ syntax isn't guaranteed everywhere # 03:06 [tantek] [snarfed]++ great idea for the 11th anniversary of Bridgy++ # 03:06 Loqi Bridgy has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (10 in all channels) # 03:06 Loqi [snarfed] has 30 karma in this channel over the last year (102 in all channels) # 03:32 [tantek] it's so nice replying to people not on Twitter, where if I need to update/fix my reply, all I have to do is edit it and resend a webmention # 03:33 [tantek] it's just less stressful and I feel like I can respond more quickly [tw2113_Slack_] joined the channel
# 03:38 [tw2113_Slack_] meanwhile i'm getting irritated by Reddit General Health, and calling them out on their bs # 03:43 [tantek] is there something they are doing that has to do with #indieweb or was that a general silo complaint? # 03:47 [tw2113_Slack_] just me venting in probably the wrong place # 03:47 [tw2113_Slack_] my bad gRegor, antranigv, gxt, mambang, mro, tiim, blahblah441, barnaby, kaichanvong, mro_, n8chz, jboy, [pfefferle], geoffo and [timothy_chambe] joined the channel; kaichanvong left the channel
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# 16:46 [snarfed] account itself seems defunct, they only posted June-Sept 2002, but still # 17:09 Loqi [preview] [Rohan Kumar] Best practices for inclusive CLIs [tantek] joined the channel
# 17:10 Seirdy_ i honestly find that manually re-writing my markdown syntax to flow well in gemini is an excellent way to proofread. [aciccarello], gRegor, gaussianblue and [KevinMarks] joined the channel
# 18:29 [tantek] Seirdy_ I feel the same way when I take a plain text prose blog post and rewrite it with HTML and add links 😂 # 18:30 [tantek] also I find it a bit humorous to have to rewrite markdown syntax bc it's supposed to be transparent/seamless with plain text 🙂 # 18:34 sknebel "can be read as plain text" (not that I'm going to argue that its great at meeting that goal) is not the same as "is equivalent to any other markup format out there" (gemtext isnt just unspecified plain text after all) # 18:35 Seirdy i also find that if i'm in the mood for syntax highlighting, gemtext is a lot faster to parse # 18:35 Loqi sknebel, Seirdy: would you mind moving this conversation (markup, parse) to #indieweb-dev? thanks! # 18:35 Seirdy hmm...this isn't really a -dev topic since we're talking bout writing posts and proofreading # 18:37 Seirdy [tantek]: thing is, gemini uses gemtext which isn't the same as markdown. links get their own lines, and semantics are defined by the characters at the start of a line (or lack thereof) # 18:37 Seirdy it actually makes for a pleasant reading experience # 18:37 [tantek] writing posts & proofreading yes. the meta-point from Loqi is still reasonably valid, writers should not have to worry about mark-up, it gets in the way of the creative process # 18:38 Seirdy since that way links double as a navigational aid and people are encouraged to give links nice names # 18:38 Loqi clickhere has -1 karma over the last year # 18:38 Seirdy it's praxis to make links very short sentences instead of single words in gemtext # 18:39 [tantek] that's a good praxis, and I believe helps accessibility too # 18:40 Seirdy instead of "i like [topic]", in gemtext we say "I like topic" \n "[wikipedia article about 'topic']" # 18:41 Seirdy or instead of "seirdy [wrote about topic]" we say "seirdy wrote about topic:" \n "[title of article about topic]" # 18:42 Seirdy it's a URL. could be https://, gemini://, gopher://, etc. # 18:43 Seirdy -> scheme://example.com/path display this link text # 18:43 [tantek] hmm I don't like that, I could see false positives with that text at the start of a line # 18:44 Seirdy and start with "```" to toggle preformatted text # 18:46 Seirdy the only major problem i see with gemtext is that people use preformatted text for code snippets and ascii art. after the triple-backtick, just like markdown, you can add optional text for a programming-language indicator or for alt-text for ascii-art; i do not like this conflation and would rather just avoid non-trivial ascii-art # 18:47 Seirdy the ascii-art is mostly something that was imported from gopher culture i think # 18:49 [tantek] also ASCII art is not accessible (is there a mechanism for providing alt text?) # 18:51 ross[m] <[tantek]> "also I find it a bit humorous to..." <- Have always chuckled at that - its great until you need to be precise in some way # 18:52 Seirdy i see two solutions to the conflation between ascii-art and programming-lang indicator # 18:53 petermolnar I don't usually say this, but we're quite off topic; this conversation should be in -chat. # 18:54 [tantek] wait really petermolnar? this is about indieweb authoring, did I miss something? # 18:59 [tantek] I don't understand your point at all petermolnar, we were talking about how to write text content for an IndieWeb site. if you want to discuss storage formats sure that's more of a #indieweb-dev thing # 19:02 petermolnar by (local, indieweb.org) definition wouldn't an indieweb site need to be in html, so microformats apply? # 19:03 [tantek] sure, somewhere in-between authoring and publishing, but hopefully your server / CMS handles that # 19:05 Seirdy ive seen quite a few personal websites using html generated from gemtext mro, [campegg] and [timothy_chambe] joined the channel
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[snarfed] Bridgy Fed users, I've deployed a follow UI, feel free to try on your following page, eg https://fed.brid.gy/user/tantek.com/following
[tantek] [snarfed] curious that https://fed.brid.gy/user/tantek.com/followers shows you with your URL as https://fed.brid.gy/snarfed.org
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gemtext" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "gemtext is ____", a sentence describing the term)
Seirdy the only major problem i see with gemtext is that people use preformatted text for code snippets and ascii art. after the triple-backtick, just like markdown, you can add optional text for a programming-language indicator or for alt-text for ascii-art; i do not like this conflation and would rather just avoid non-trivial ascii-art
petermolnar I don't usually say this, but we're quite off topic; this conversation should be in -chat.
[KevinMarks] Pronouns << https://xeiaso.net/blog/pronouns-service