#indieweb 2023-01-10

2023-01-10 UTC
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[KevinMarks] https://mastodon.online/@antiheroine/109662065515457755
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Loqi [preview] [Jen Myers] "So how about we make 2023 the year of the personal website? The year in which we launch our first site or redesign our old one, publish a little more often, and add RSS and Webmentions to our websites so that we can write posts back and forth. The y...
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btrem FWIW, I don't offer an RSS feed for my site. It seems like the sort of thing that can decay, i.e., I update the site but forget to update the RSS feed because I don't look at it, and the feed either breaks or becomes outdated.
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btrem (Cue loqi to yell at me for mentioning RSS outside of the -dev channel.) ;-)
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Loqi friendly reminder btrem, it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (RSS)
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btrem Ha
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btrem Perfect timing, Loqi
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btrem I mean, look at the timestamps. lol
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[snarfed] btrem https://indieweb.org/sidefile-antipattern
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btrem [snarfed] Yeah, I was thinking exactly that as I wrote my comment above. I guess I was (gently) pushing back on a comment that was, to be fair, from a Mastodon account. (I don't have a Mastodon account, so I could not comment there.)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://twitter.com/CodementorIO/status/1612675965007855616
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@CodementorIO Join James from @RoboFlow for a lesson on creating a personal website and making it social with #Webmention 👨🏻‍💻 Take control of your digital identity, create a space that represents you and learn how to interact with other websites! 🗓 Jan 15, 2023 🔗 https://bit.ly/3w9Xhtz https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmFgPOzaYAESmxP.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1612675965007855616)
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> capjamesg++
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Loqi capjamesg has 13 karma in this channel over the last year (85 in all channels)
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gRegor capjamesg++ will it be recorded?
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Loqi capjamesg has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (86 in all channels)
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[tantek] rains really coming down again here in SF. to put it in context, California has received a half year's worth of rainfall in the past two weeks, and thousands (in lower altitude areas) have had to flee their homes: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-storm-forces-thousands-flee-homes-leaves-1-dead-rcna65046
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starrwulfe[m] ...And maybe the deluge is too much at once to bust the drought unless it can add meaningful snowpack to the Sierras...
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[tantek] correct
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[snarfed] #indieweb-chat?
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[tantek] oh oops sorry that was all meant for #indieweb-chat
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[tantek] thanks [snarfed]
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starrwulfe[m] 😅 sorry!
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superkuh youtube just changed their policy so that unless you give them your phone number you cannot include URLs in video descriptions.
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[aciccarello] I hate that spam prevention measures involve giving your PII to an ad company...
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aaronpk It's annoying that phone numbers are the primary anti-spam tool in use right now
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aaronpk ironically it's because phone numbers are more expensive to get than a domain name
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starrwulfe[m] remember when it was snailmail...
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starrwulfe[m] And phone numbers are easily spoofed. Or it screws things up for legitimate people who have a VOIP line for business or in places where that's the only way to get a phone number because it's cheaper than retrofitting copper lines and switching equipment.
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starrwulfe[m] Alphabet owns Google and YouTube. Which means it's probably easy to just get a Google Voice number and use that to verify too... Else anyone with Google Fiber and Google Fi will not be able to do that.
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starrwulfe[m] ...There's really no point in that extra step
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superkuh It's the final straw for me. I've had my youtube account since 2006 but I think I'll just transcode everything to "web optimized" mp4 that supports seeking within the file without downloading and self host.
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[aciccarello] So much of video on the web is done through youtube.
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[aciccarello] Even Vimeo seems to be less popular now
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superkuh My use case is hosting things for embeds in my static .html write-ups so it works. But for most it's the social and monetary aspect of the scale of youtube.
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superkuh No matter the technical or otherwise deficiencies it'll still be the place.
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barnaby at least youtube’s video player is really well made. I’ve not seen any others which are really comparable
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barnaby the three non-standard features I’d look for/build first in a potential indie video player would be chapters, skimming thumbnail, and localstorage playhead location memory
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superkuh mp4 "web optimized" gives you everything for free.
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superkuh Well not thumbnails.
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barnaby storage and bandwith issues aside, those are the three key UX points preventing me from self-hosting video
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barnaby how does web-optimised mp4 video give me description-integrated chapter UI and persistent playhead location?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I believe so gRegor!
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superkuh It doesn't fix your particular use case, no, but most videos don't have chapters.
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superkuh Getting into -dev I guess....
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barnaby nah I’m still talking UX. having navigable, named chapters is one of the things preventing me from hosting longer-form videos on my own site vs youtube
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barnaby I already have a reasonably good workflow for shorter videos, and just use the default player
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barnaby being able to host long-form videos on my own site isn‘t a big priority at the moment though
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aaronpk starrwulfe[m]: sounds like someone hasn't tried using a google voice number for much recently :)
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aaronpk my primary phone number is a google voice number and a lot of things have checks in place to tell whether a number is from a VOIP service or from a real carrier and reject my phone verification
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aaronpk yeah the skimmable thumbnails and the segmented chapter timeline are great features
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e-snail I use jmp.chat and have the same issue; they maintain a wiki page about what companies are taking anti-VOIP measures https://wiki.soprani.ca/FAQ/Why%20isn%27t%20my%20number%20being%20accepted%20by%20an%20online%20service%3F
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[tantek] barnaby, could you capture those reasons for using YouTube on /YouTube#Why ? I think it's important that we keep track of them so as they disappear we can encourage people to move to alternatives, and we know what UX various IndieWeb solutions need to provide
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[tantek] named chapters is a content thing so that's on topic here
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barnaby will do
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[tantek] thank you!
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[tantek] also what aaronpk said in #indieweb-dev: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2023-01-10#t1673388639368100
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Loqi [preview] [aaronpk] but yeah the reason i do stream on youtube is specifically for the ad revenue and discoverability
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[KevinMarks] Have you looked at using the Internet Archive to host your videos (if you're willing to make them Creative Commons)?
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[KevinMarks] MP4 has always had chapter tracks, is it just browsers failing at implementing the UI?
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aaronpk Good point, when you open an mp4 in Quick Look on a mac you do see the chapters and their thumbnails
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barnaby [KevinMarks]: I’m specifically talking about youtube’s description-text-driven chapter UI, where the publisher can create and name chapters by editing text, and they are demarked in the video UI
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barnaby the ease of publishing and updating them is an important distinction IMO
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aaronpk The irony is that my video editor easily creates the mp4 chapters by placing markers on the timeline and I have to do extra steps to convert those to the text timestamps when uploading
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barnaby the mp4 chapters aren’t editable without re-uploading the entire file though, right?
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aaronpk True
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[KevinMarks] This is where mp4 is worse than mov
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