#indieweb 2023-01-12

2023-01-12 UTC
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starrwulfe[m] I knew it. Something I tweeted one night somehow got piped in by Loqi… thought I did it somehow and dismissed it
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ross[m] <[snarfed]> "[TMichelleMoore] I think I found..." <- worked for me and thanks 🙏
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[TMichelleMoore] ross[m] Are you using WordPress and syndicating to Mastodon with Bridgy? Confirming you could click the Token button and didn’t get an incorrect URL redirection message right? If so, which Mastodon instance out of curiosity?
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ross[m] [TMichelleMoore]: I am taking a post from my own (independently built) indieweb compatible site (it is not Wordpress) - and in my case I run my have paid for a hosted Mastodon instance with its own domain
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ross[m] I am publishing the posts to Mastodon with Bridgy
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[TMichelleMoore] [ross]m Awesome! What’s your URL (if you want to share it here)?
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[tantek] [TMichelleMoore]++ well done!
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Loqi [TMichelleMoore] has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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[tantek] TIL: there is a .dm ccTLD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.dm
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[tantek] Does anyone have a .dm? Could be convenient as an address for "txt me at" or "dm me at" yourname .dm
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[tantek] shorter and more modern than .tel 😛
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I like that!
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kaichanvong having seen T: applied for Telephone, E: for Email... sometimes these are simple placeholders for shortening key and the right input (input for different appliances, applications, phone, fax-machine)
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kaichanvong `.online` seems more appropriate for open-chatter... eg. `example.online/direct-message`, `example.online/dm`, `dm.example.online`
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kaichanvong from memory, highly recommend against that unless you're XKCD fan...
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> america.online 😅
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kaichanvong eg. URL, User Resource Location, is simple a person asking for the resource, the link... to a page, a potential other link
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kaichanvong capjamesg: I believe at 1-point my gran, bless her, had AOL... American OnLine
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jo[m] I like tlds like .net and .web because yeah, that sure is a web-site on the inter-net
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kaichanvong what is TLDS
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TLDS" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "TLDS is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[KevinMarks] Web3 << https://flic.kr/p/ZT3xE
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Loqi ok, I added "https://flic.kr/p/ZT3xE" to the "See Also" section of /Web_3.0 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85908&oldid=84930
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jo[m] <kaichanvong> "what is TLDS" <- Sorry! TLD stands for top level domain which is what comes after the . at the end, like .com and .org
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[snarfed] what is TLDs
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TLDs" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "TLDs is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[snarfed] TLDs is /top-level_domain
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Loqi ok
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[snarfed] what is TLDS
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Loqi A top-level domain (TLD) is the last part of a domain name, such as .com, .net, .org https://indieweb.org/TLDs
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[snarfed] question for Bridgy Fed users: BF currently federates articles, ie long-form posts with titles, as just the title and a link. Mastodon happily supports long-form content, though, even if it only supports a small set of formatting, eg no lists, blockquotes, inline images. should we switch it to send the entire contents of articles instead, even if that degrades their formatting?
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[snarfed] background: https://fed.brid.gy/docs#which-parts
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[snarfed] examples (to see, paste URLs into search on a mastodon instance you're logged into): article: https://indieweb.social/@snarfed.org@snarfed.org/109672864350714807 , long-form note: https://indieweb.social/@tantek.com@tantek.com/109676221037165294
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Loqi [preview] Logs as end user UI
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[KevinMarks] How about doing the full post unless there's an explicit summary? Or is that in tension with mastodon using summary for CW?
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[KevinMarks] Jeremy calling it early https://youtu.be/7kjJ-IaB71A
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[snarfed] sure! indieweb mf2 posts very rarely have summary, so that would effectively mean always full post
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[tantek] Still prefer the article name approach
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[KevinMarks] Or, if there is a summary use that as well as the name?
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[snarfed] [tantek] yeah you're an interesting case because you often post long-form notes, which federate as full content
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[KevinMarks] Mine are weird as I often have a summary on the homepage h-feed but not in the post page, because manual until it hurts.
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[snarfed] so I suspect you don't feel the "pain" of title + link as much
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cambridgeport90[ Titles can just go away on short posts.
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[snarfed] Right, we're taking about long posts
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cambridgeport90[ By the way, tantek, I eposted your note about at-mentioning people from a while ago. definitely needed to be clarified and there needs to be more work on it. I want to one day fix the Wordpress plugin so that it includes something like I suggested via the https://twitter.com/faebornofficial account.
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fady hi! since twitter has imploded i've been trying to get my own site up and running. i'm a visual artist and set it all up last night and i wanted to thank this community for building the wiki and making this approachable. thank you!
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[aciccarello] Welcome fady!
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fady thank you! back in the day i was building blogs on wordpress and then social media became the thing, and it's so cool to be back at it again, (especially with the whole new wysiwyg thing on wp)
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ross[m] I second that fady this community and the thinking behind it have been so useful and turns out this whole indieweb thing has me hooked
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[tantek] thank you cambridgeport90[!
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[tantek] welcome fady! you might also be interested in #indieweb-wordpress
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cambridgeport90[ Welcome. That Twitter account currently doesn't have a web site associated with it, but at the moment having one up is kinda pointless since the project behind it doesn't really have anything going on (that's why I'm learning C# so that I can contribute in the weaker areas.)
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cambridgeport90[ <fady> "thank you! back in the day i was..." <- How do you like it?
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fady the editor? i know it's in beta so i can overlook some fiddly-ness - it took me a little while to learn just for being unfamiliar with the UI - haven't touched wordpress since probably 2014?
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fady but all in all i really liked it, i'm learning the little idiosyncrasies of it
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fady successfully laid out some shopify buttons, got the blog roughly up on a separate static page, now i'm trying to brainstorm what else to put up :3
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cambridgeport90[ Nice. So you run both shopify and WP? I had a friend who originally did that, but then she just decided to let Shopify host the entire thing for her.
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fady yeah, i considered that, but i'm also trying to learn to code and i figure that setting up on wp will be more friendly to tinkering
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ross[m] <[TMichelleMoore]> "[ross]m Awesome! What’s your URL..." <- [TMichelleMoore]: I'm unsure about the way thats done here - is there a channel for generally gathering somewhat indieweb compatible sites in the wild or do I just put a line together in the wiki somewhere?
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[TMichelleMoore] @ross[m] There is a list on indieweb.org, but I was just asking so I could see what you did.
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[TMichelleMoore] Welcome @fady. If you don’t want to write all of that e-commerce code from scratch, take a look at WooCommerce. But I am biased as I am not a developer. 😊
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[tantek] me.dm is a very clever use of the .dm ccTLD. https://blog.medium.com/medium-embraces-mastodon-19dcb873eb11
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[aciccarello] I'm surprised they didn't use that for a URL shortener
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[aciccarello] It'll be interesting to see how they moderate and how the rest of the community responds
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[snarfed] I'm still skeptical of short URLs, esp for individual posts, offline seems to be one of the few remaining meaningful use cases
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barnaby same, and my solution for offline is to make the canonical URL short/easily typeable
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[tantek] barnaby there is a tension between short/easily typable and canonical-with-slug-for-seo
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barnaby sure, but I’ve never cared about having slugs for SEO. it might still make some sort of difference, but I’m not convinced that it’s worth it
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[snarfed] right, and how often do we manually type out individual post URLs
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[snarfed] motivations are wikified across https://indieweb.org/URL_design#Avoid https://indieweb.org/permashortlink https://indieweb.org/URL_shortener , all thin or out of date (eg "limited characters")
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[tantek] barnaby, that being said, it has been hard(er) to find some of your older posts on various topics 🙂
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barnaby such as?
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[tantek] it's been a while, will let you know the next time it happens. lots of early indieweb explorations and such
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barnaby I’ve never had trouble finding anything on my site via google/ddg site: search
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[tantek] sure, you know intuitively which keywords to search for
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barnaby and search is different to SEO. any keywords which would have been in slugs will be in the content too, so should be indexed, even if they don’t theoretically have the higher search result placement that SEO slug URLs might still offer
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[tantek] speaking of personal search: https://chaos.social/@janl/109677140991445140
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[snarfed] 🍿
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[tantek] You have to sign in somehow with a "Mastodon Server Address" (hint: URL) and I'm really curious if that would work with a fake Bridgy Fed URL 😂
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[tantek] if that worked it would certainly be another strong use-case for following (more) people on Bridgy Fed
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[snarfed] surprising, I didn't get that, it jumped straight into a logged-in view of one of the Mastodon instances I'm logged into. I wonder how that happened
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[tantek] wow, that feels a bit cross-domain creepy
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[snarfed] right
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[tantek] that might be worth some #indieweb-dev spelunking
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec#Searching_for_Content
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[KevinMarks] bit.ly j.mp seem to have broken a lot of old custom URLs - I used to have j.mp/k for my old blog and j.mp/DA for the 1999 Douglas Adams piece I refer to a lot, and they're 404 now
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[tantek] oh dear that's worth documenting somewhere
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[tantek] what are URL shorteners
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "URL shorteners" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "URL shorteners is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] wat
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[tantek] URL shorteners are /URL_shortener
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Loqi ok
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cambridgeport90[ Heading out for a bit. Will be back with you guys later.
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capjamesg In what context was Breakfast and Coffee mentioned today?
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[tantek] it was mentioned in last night's HWC Pacific! we were all fans 🙂
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[tantek] Happy 6th birthday to Webmention++
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Loqi Webmention has 1 karma over the last year
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Why thank you 😊