#indieweb 2023-01-23

2023-01-23 UTC
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[KevinMarks]
this is very interesting, and about 2/3 through it intersects with our practices here https://interconnected.org/home/2023/01/20/map_room
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[snarfed]
got an invite to the bluesky beta the other day, probably since I'd shown my interop work on their matrix channel. as a social networking app, it's...fine. seems like a very simple twitter clone. profiles, posts, replies, photos, likes, retweets, etc.
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capjamesg
Oooh! There's a beta?
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capjamesg
Is it owned by Twitter?
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capjamesg
Or is the PBLLC a separate entity entirely?
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[snarfed]
the latter. they've been taking beta signups forever at https://bsky.app/ . background on https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog
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[snarfed]
app is iOS only right now, they're building web, probably Android too. it's surprisingly usable and robust for a beta.
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capjamesg
So it's not owned by Twitter?
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[snarfed]
no, just funded by them
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[snarfed]
otherwise nothing too unusual or notable about the product design or UX, the interesting parts (so far) are mainly the plumbing, https://atproto.com/docs
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capjamesg
Ah, that's cool.
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@SwiftOnSecurity
My Instagram is now _literally_ 50% ads. I'm just barely checking it anymore.
(twitter.com/_/status/1617567492171350034)
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[aciccarello]
Instagram really does have so many ads.
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[aciccarello]
Also, I glanced at the reels my wife was seeing. Half of them were "Check out these amazon buys" type videos
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[aciccarello]
Not technically ads but affiliate link stuff
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capjamesg
I see an ad after going through ~2 profiles' stories.
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capjamesg
I seldom scroll the main feed. Really, Stories are what matter to me on IG.
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[aciccarello]
I'm deeply bothered by the idea of content that keeps you coming to the app every 24 hours
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capjamesg
My response -> #chat.
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[tw2113_Slack_]
if i could disable stories completely, i’d be in heaven
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[tw2113_Slack_]
the only reason i tap into most are because they feel like a notification i must clear
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[tantek]
tw2113, you can mute the stories of everyone you follow
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capjamesg
Curious.
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[tw2113_Slack_]
hmm, will check on that
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capjamesg
I'd also like to disable the main feed :D
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gRegor
I think you hold the app icon until it wobbles then select delete? :)
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[tw2113_Slack_]
I see what you did there
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gRegor
main feed disabled!
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[aciccarello]
Ephemeral content in general has value but for Instagram it feels like a ploy for engagement rather than actual value
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Loqi
gRegor has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (83 in all channels)
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capjamesg
gRegor++
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starrwulfe[m]
As one of the original beta users of Instagram all the way back when I had an iPhone 3GS, I cannot tell you how saddened I am of it’s metamorphosis into “Other TikTok/Snapchat”. But it’s not surprising at all.
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starrwulfe[m]
One of my various sidegigs once upon a time was working with Instagram's original founders just after they sold to Facebook as a Japanese localization consultant.. They were looking to translate the app in a hurry as Instagram was a success in Japan even with machine translations in the UI already.
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starrwulfe[m]
This meant that I'd get called from time to time to help look over translations whenever new features were added from time to time. Usually it was just filters, but at one point it was blurbs that signaled the end of not having ads in-app was coming.
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[tantek]
starrwulfe[m] did you use it when it was "Bourbon"?
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[tantek]
We used to have IG meetups in SF. IGersSF
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[tantek]
wow the account is still around: https://www.instagram.com/IGersSF/
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starrwulfe[m]
For a lot of us expats over there, it was better than twitter!
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starrwulfe[m]
I think I need to make a blog post outta this. Pretty interesting thoughts bubbling up in my head.
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[tantek]
this is one of the reasons we capture screenshots of "good" UI in social media etc. when we see it, because they inevitably screw it up
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starrwulfe[m]
[tantek]: I came in on the tail end of that-- couldn't get an account to save my life! But a few of my buddies who covered that year's SXSW had test accounts when I was gigging at the Tokyo AP office so I played with it there. I didn't even have an iPhone yet until the following year.
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starrwulfe[m]
I vaguely remember there was no way to even view pictures on the web-- it was truly the first "mobile only" social media app. Just one square picture, a caption and a hashtag-- that's it.
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gRegor
Interesting, starrwulfe[m], would love to read it!
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gRegor
Yep, I remember that. And iOS only for quite a while.
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gRegor
I was pretty against it for a while because of that, haha
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gRegor
I think web view only came after Facebook acquired it?
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starrwulfe[m]
ha, me too! I had an android phone because only one carrier in Japan had iPhones, and I wasn't on it
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starrwulfe[m]
gRegor: yep. That was one of the changes they made as a byproduct of making interoperability between FB and IG IIRC
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[tantek]
definitely blog it!
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starrwulfe[m]
Yep, let me finish this thing I'm writing up for GWG and get the scaffolding going for that while I have some inspiration (and sanity!)
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[tantek]
haha searching twitter for "indieweb" has become useless because of everyone putting indieweb.social @-@ names in their display name 😂
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starrwulfe[m]
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that myself. I've been trying to explain what I'm doing with my site to other gearheads, only for them to come back and be all like "I already have a Mastodon account." 😩
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[tantek]
to which you should retort "... on someone else’s server & domain" and send them the Chad XKCD
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