#indieweb 2023-01-22

2023-01-22 UTC
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to2ds Can non-technical humans leverage IndieWeb? Couldn't imagine having to teach my G-ma how manage a VPS, learn Git, and a console based text editor.
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[snarfed] to2ds none of that is needed! micro.blog is one full featured hosted indieweb solution that's arguably as easy to sign up with and use as Twitter or Facebook
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aaronpk i don't even use a console based text editor 😂
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[snarfed] Me neither
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[snarfed] WordPress is another. More complex, but definitely doesn't need anything you mentioned, and lots of hosted options
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aaronpk and i barely understand git tbh
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[snarfed] No one understands git
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[snarfed] Not even Linus
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[0x3b0b] There's also haza website, in theory, although I never heard back after I tried to sign up.
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Gremblo test to see if I'm an idiot
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Gremblo yea I'm dumb
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starrwulfe[m] I’m running Wordpress and it’s pretty simple. If you can build IKEA furniture, you can run an indieweb capable Wordpress site.
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starrwulfe[m] Microblog is the turnkey solution for sure, but Wordpress is the Lego solution
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to2ds Thank you everyone. My takeaway from this is that there is still hope and Git has a huge learning curve 😄
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to2ds [aaronpk], [snarfed] Right there with you. Most of my coding time is plagued with resolving my Git boo boos 😄
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aaronpk Whenever something goes wrong with git my solution is to nuke it from orbit
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aaronpk I don't have time for that nonsense
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to2ds [aaronpk] I can relate.
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e-snail https://xkcd.com/1597/
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Loqi [preview] [XKCD] Git https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/git_2x.png
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aaronpk oh that is an accurate description of exactly what I do
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to2ds Thank you for that [Loqi] 😄
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[0x3b0b] I have gotten to the point where (by a small margin) I spend more time confused over the differences between git GUIs than over git itself.
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e-snail I've gotten OK at it after spending a year teaching it to my coworker
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to2ds [0x3b0b] 🤜🤛
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[0x3b0b] Git itself would probably still be ahead if one of my coworkers weren't still using Sourcetree
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[0x3b0b] To be clear, I don't think Sourcetree is actually bad, it just happens not to be intuitive to me
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aynish I'm suppose I'm part of the lucky few that generally doesn't struggle too much with git haha
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gRegor Switching from SourceTree to Sublime Merge a couple years ago was a great decision. So much faster, love the command palette
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gRegor That's getting more into -dev though
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to2ds [aynish] We shall defer all our Git questions your way now 😄
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aynish hahaha, I gave a few talks on git internals at my last job, but I'm no sorcerer haha
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Loqi awesome
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aynish always happy to try and help!
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to2ds [aynish] Your help is much appreciated!
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[jeremycherfas] Oh shit, GIT by Julia Evans ( which has been ripped off, sad to say) is helpful too. https://jvns.ca/blog/2018/10/27/new-zine--oh-shit--git-/
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to2ds [jeremycherfas] That's awesome 😊
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kaichanvong going from some of the earlier conversations of version control history, further back in chat-
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kaichanvong cloud based applications, (built into) Windows -oneDrive, OSX -iCloud drive...
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kaichanvong Google ChromeBook ChromeOS google drive --move away (to begin at)
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kaichanvong from the features of git distributed versioning software..., no?
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kaichanvong the XKCD comic link earlier does give a good idea (of sync/how to do things)... for now
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kaichanvong also:- git/github.com (in no specific order) ... seems easy to overlook? for users timid of many editors/applications/software
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to2ds Well if Git is a problem there's always CVS 😄
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to2ds My humblest apologies for steering what should have been an IndieWeb convo toward cryptic version control tools.
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to2ds git checkout -b IndieWeb
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> CVS?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Is that subversion?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> This may be a discussion more for the #dev channel.
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[tw2113_Slack_] https://www.nongnu.org/cvs/ for context
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[tantek] Yes, source control chat should be moved to #indieweb-dev
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to2ds [tantek][capjamesg] Agreed. This convo kind of devolved into version control, but my main point was using G-ma as an archetype, someone who would love to be IndieWeb but lacks requisite technical skills and has no other choice but to kowtow to social media.
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[snarfed] yes! we care deeply about those people too. hence services like micro.blog, which go so far as to build in domain registration and do all the DNS automatically, behind the scenes, so onboarding truly is as easy as traditional social media
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[snarfed] but we also know we have to crawl, then walk, then run. more historical background in eg https://indieweb.org/generations
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to2ds Excellent points [snarfed]! Let's get G-ma onboard! 😄
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