#indieweb 2023-02-01

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[tantek] quitting any kind of regular checking of FB was one of the most mental-health positive things I did. in the pandemic, since events evaporated, and that was my last use-case for checking FB, my usage went to pretty close to zero. occasional use of FBM to message some folks that aren't available elsewhere, thus the friend-request/accept dance to enable that. but that's about it, using only the mobile web version
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benatkin That sounds nice. I'm sure I'm missing a lot of things that could help w/ focus & mental health. Got me thinking of quantified self which is pretty adjacent to indieweb IMO now...
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[aciccarello] I basically only use facebook for looking for cheap used stuff (marketplace & buy-nothing). It's too much of a time suck to look at regularly.
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[tantek] yeah I've heard marketplace is a recent use-case
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[tantek] aciccarello, if you have practices that have helped you, feel free to add to https://indieweb.org/Facebook#How_to_wean_yourself_from
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gRegor I found unfollowing everyone (vs unfriending) helped. The main news feed shows no posts and says "You're All Caught Up For Now". I think in the past it's suggested I follow some people, haha.
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gRegor I go on occasionally to view a Group, or an individual's profile
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[tantek] lol that's amazing gRegor, and a good way to reduce the distraction potential of accidentally landing on the home page while logged in
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gRegor I think I have a screenshot, looking now
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[tantek] can you document that as a "how to"? perhaps "How to clear your FB home screen permanently?" or some variant
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[snarfed] similar to https://indieweb.org/Twitter#How_to_unfollow_everyone_but_still_read_their_tweets / https://snarfed.org/2019-11-09_39345
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[tantek] yes!
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[tantek] it is somewhat of an antidote to doomscrolling tbh
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gRegor Even better, it used to say "Get started by adding friends" like you didn't even have friends there XD https://gregorlove.com/2019/10/the-facebook-news-feed/
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Loqi [preview] [gRegor Morrill] The Facebook News Feed looks pretty nice when you unfollow (not un-friend) posts from people and groups. https://gregorlove.com/site/assets/files/5565/annotation_2019-10-29_210457.png
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[tantek] that is amazing
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[tantek] ok this is worth it's own page
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gRegor sure I'll update the wiki
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[tantek] what is unfollow all
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "unfollow all" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "unfollow all is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor haha
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[tantek] unfollow all is the practice of [[unfollow]]ing everyone on a [[social media]] site as a form of soft [[silo-quit]]ting and an antidote to [[doomscrolling]].
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] there you go, expand away
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[tantek] including screenshots of what success looks like
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benatkin sweet. I would have to unfollow a hundreds if not thousands. I am deleting the apps - not just facebook but twitch - from my phone and logging out of all except firefox container tabs.
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[tantek] deleting the apps is a big step yes. web-only access helps you limit a lot of your footprint
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gRegor Updated
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benatkin I followed the link from Criticisim of Facebook on IndieWeb to Criticism of Facebook on Wikipedia and found it to gloss over Rohingya and not mention "Rohingya" specifically except in the name of an article in the references. Yikes. I went to Talk to investigate and found someone requested renaming "Criticism of Facebook" to "Criticism of Meta" on Wikipedia. Double-yikes.
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benatkin How about for convenience moving the link to Wikipedia from See Also to the top below the NYT 15th anniversary video, despite it being flawed? https://indieweb.org/Facebook#Criticism
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[tantek] our whole /Facebook page needs LOTS of gardening, far beyond that. it's a project in itself
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[tantek] the criticisms in particular need a good amount of curating and good copy-editing
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benatkin OTOH it's at the top of See Also and it belongs there
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benatkin Well, I, mean, it is fitting I should say
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benatkin I went to add the wikipedia page for criticism of twitter to IndieWeb and there is none on wikipedia :( Not even a heading. Just scattered.
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[tantek] hmm, you could ask about it on the Talk: page, if there was any interest in making a section similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook#Criticisms_and_controversies
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benatkin True.
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[tantek] helps to get a crew together to collaborate on big-ish changes to Wikipedia pages, especially high profile pages. working through the process of finding consensus with a bunch of other Wikipedia editors is almost always both effective and personally rewarding
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benatkin Interesting, sounds like a good way to do more than just write software
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benatkin Or rather to be on the other end of writing software - gardening
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benatkin I found a slightly new wrinkle in the issue of controlling how you appear in others' online lives (not wanting your photo on facebook but having people add it without your permission). Anyone who had this piece of software installed and used it in the recommended way would be violating the privacy of IndieWeb meetings. - rewind.ai
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benatkin It records the screen with audio just like a screencasting app except it archives everything. Equivalent of having a high res camera pointed at your laptop with sound on all the time.
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benatkin It's an attempt to bring a Black Mirror thing to reality. Much like a personal body camera.
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[jacky] > Recording data is *NEVER* sent off your Mac
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[jacky] which makes me a bit comfortable but yeah still weird
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[jacky] mentioned https://jacky.wtf/2023/1/1APD (and got some interesting feedback https://todon.eu/@jalcine/109785463792033486)
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[jacky] side-note: I need to get webmentions working on my site again
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Loqi [preview] End of year goal: make channels on my site become their own accounts in the fediverse and represent my site as its own instance. I'd be able to control who can follow what that way, keep context collapsing from happening and still post normally. Sinc...
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benatkin yeah the problem is I don't want a video of me on someone else's hard drive. and this makes it the default and is heavily VC-funded. It's like a partial body camera for those who use it.
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[jacky] I guess
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[jacky] *agree
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[jacky] especially coming from a16z
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benatkin I wonder what the storage for Google Glass was supposed to be like before Google pulled it as a consumer product.
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benatkin Haha I was about to mention it's from a16z but didn't want to sound cranky
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benatkin I happened to walk past AH on my way to Caltrain last night
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benatkin benatkin: * in light of all the other ranting I've done so far - not saying it would sound that way by itself
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benatkin I was surprised how plain it is. Just saw it's a satellite office though. Of course - the main one is in Silicon Valley. I knew that.
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benatkin I had facebook.com slash atkin and I just replaced it with the first 16 characters of the sha-256 hash of it, lol
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benatkin Sort of indicating that facebook isn't that important to me anymore & deprecating my profile, I think...
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ross[m] <[tantek]> "unfollow all is the practice of..." <- I wonder if there are ways to avoid setting up mechanisms that replace one form of scrolling with another which then happens outside silos, genuinely interested
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[tantek] Scrolling isn’t bad. Doomscrolling is bad
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[tantek] Also has someone already coined “gd;dr” for when people post Google Docs thought pieces that they should have blogged instead? (Kind of a subtweet. Not linking to the original)
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pmlnr is infinite scrolling doomscrolling?
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[tantek] One uses the other.
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mikeputnam doomscrolling seems the modern equivalent of consuming broadcast/cable news. locked in; unable to look away; one dire story after another.
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[snarfed] what is doomscrolling
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Loqi Doomscrolling is the cycle of obsessively consuming social media, enabled by their typical infinite scroll UI, in search of clarity for anxieties that are ironically fueled by those same social media feeds https://indieweb.org/Doomscrolling
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IWDiscordRelay <G​remblo#6137> I always thought the term meant wasting time and energy scrolling down a feed with no mental stopping point nor goal
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kaichanvong DoomScrolling: on that note, my personal archives of pictures, photography over the years... Doom Scrolling almost feels as though it's happening when you have this Venn diagram of happenings in a picture. All you have to know is, you'll find it or to get moving on
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kaichanvong this is off sharing my happenings in Photos, Albums and more. Hope you're all keeping well, & have a happy February (than doomscrolling!)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> HWC London / Europe is in 30 mins!
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://events.indieweb.org/2023/02/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-V6JmZMXJXWRP
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Later in the day is the Groundhog Day edition of HWC Pacific.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Apologies, Groundhog Day Eve.
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gRegor Then tomorrow is Groundhog Day edition of HWC. Then...
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GWG gRegor: Strike up the music the band has begun the Pennsylvania polka
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[tantek] GWG, do you have a web page of all the Groundhog Day-like movies? (time loop, duration one day, midnight reset)
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GWG [tantek]: No, but I always start with 12:01
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[tantek] presumably Eastern? does that mean we'll lose you at 21:00 HWC Pacific?
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GWG [tantek]: The movie 12:01
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GWG Jonathan Silverman, Jeremy Piven, Martin Landau.. I think the female lead was Helen Slater
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[schmarty] => chat :}
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GWG We're not in chat? Oops
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[tantek] see here I specifically asked *have a web page* (obviously on your own site)
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gRegor ?
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gRegor Did a message get eaten?
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heyyyy hy
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[tantek] gRegor, this message: https://chat.indieweb.org/2023-02-01/1675277508055500
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Loqi [preview] [[tantek]] GWG, do you have a web page of all the Groundhog Day-like movies? (time loop, duration one day, midnight reset)
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gRegor Ah!
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GWG No, but I discuss it on my movie recommendations page
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[tantek] see I really was *trying* to keep it on topic
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GWG [tantek]: Where on your website do you keep your time loop analysis page?
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[tantek] GWG, I have deliberately avoided posting publicly about temporal anomalies or manipulations except for https://tantek.com/2016/095/t1/considered-ethical-time-travel-ok and because "ignorance is our ammunition"
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] Having considered ethical implications, I’ve decided time travel is ok if you only use it to alter (e.g. repair, or otherwise improve) your own timeline in ways that will have little or no effect on others in your temporal point of origin (the poin...
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capjamesg https://www.netlify.com/press/netlify-acquires-gatsby-inc-to-accelerate-adoption-of-composable-web-architectures/
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benatkin Feels good already to be logged out of facebook/insta on mobile and only logged in on desktop in specific firefox containers
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[tw2113_Slack_] i love firefox containers
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[jacky] okay this is interesting https://indieweb.social/@nova@hachyderm.io/109790532799223280
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Loqi [preview] [Kris Nóva :ferris:] So we (GitHub) just rolled out support for Mastodon profiles. Thanks @derekprior for helping us! https://media.hachyderm.io/media_attachments/files/109/790/526/654/903/096/original/5ffe9b2199789c88.png
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[jacky] looks like rel=me options have expanded for GitHub
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[snarfed] ^ afaik you could already enter any URL, I think they just mean they added an icon 😆
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capjamesg Nice!
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capjamesg I wish they allowed emojis in the location field.
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capjamesg I wanted to put a Scotland flag in my location.
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[tantek] GitHub used to only have *one* URL for rel=me
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[tantek] did that change to multiple URLs now?
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kaichanvong oh you mean they included the Social Account for mastodon to be included and "verified" ...
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[tantek] ok has anyone actually done this with their GitHub profile and if so can you share your GitHub profile URL? that toot-thread has ZERO GitHub profile URLs 🙄
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[tantek] lots of tightly cropped screenshots though
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kaichanvong tested it... looks to add the mastodon app / favicon / icon ... ok
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kaichanvong signup on indieweb.social however isn't updating ... ruby.social is ok
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[tantek] github profile?
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kaichanvong https://github.com/kaichanvong
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[tantek] yup it's working!
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[tantek] ok that's worth a post
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kaichanvong a post to make even jeremy keith go all out dancing
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kaichanvong you should mention their blog post? https://github.co/100
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Loqi agreed.
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[tantek] why? that post has no mention of rel=
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[tantek] I added my https://micro.blog/t profile to GitHub and it worked, added rel=me to it. my existing Twitter link already had a rel=me
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kaichanvong there was a mention of waitlist on indieweb.org.social ...
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benatkin good to know they added rel=me
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benatkin even if it was already there
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[snarfed] yeah it was there before
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[snarfed] afaict the only new thing here is the icon. which admittedly was harder than with other silos, since they have to maintain a list of Mastodon domains. but still
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benatkin can people who host their own with their name in the domain not add it? there seem to be a lot of them
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[snarfed] you could already add any URL to your profile, Mastodon or other, and GH would rel-me it. I think the only new question is whether it gets the new Mastodon icon
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[snarfed] based on playing with the UI in https://github.com/settings/profile, it looks like it parses any URL you add, and if it matches https://[domain]/@[user], GitHub fetches it and sniffs whether it's Mastodon
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[snarfed] eg single-user instance URL https://inuh.net/@bradfitz gets the icon
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benatkin ah I see, so it adds them on the fly :)
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[snarfed] yeah the UI shows a spinner while it's discovering
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Loqi [preview] Brad Fitzpatrick
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[tantek] no micro.blog special icon 😢
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[KevinMarks] So send a PR ;)
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[KevinMarks] I got a green tick on mastodon now
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[KevinMarks] (I had already linked there)
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[KevinMarks] https://xoxo.zone/@KevinMarks
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[KevinMarks] We could ask Christina, she does devrel at github
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[tantek] [manton] is there an icon for micro.blog that we can point the GH folks to use for micro.blog profile links in GitHub profiles?
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[tantek] yes [KevinMarks] see if you can contact her
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gRegor The micro.blog svg on your homepage is nice, [tantek]