#indieweb 2023-04-04
2023-04-04 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "So long, Twitter API, and thanks for all the fish" https://snarfed.org/2023-04-03_so-long-twitter-api-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish
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shreyanjain[m] sad it had to end like this
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[jamietanna] Is aperture.p3k.io down for anyone else? Connections time out for me
# [jamietanna] Sorry ignore 👆 looks like my WiFi is a bit bust
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# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> https://colorid.es/@peachymist/109882294947454474
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# bkil I'm using this to open Mastodon links https://github.com/bkil/static-wonders.js/blob/master/userjs/mastodon.user.js
# bkil It's a pity that as Mastodon is a heavyweight server, most operators opted to disable server side rendering, especially after the recent exodus. Many better servers exist that are much lighter and have it enabled unconditionally: https://fediverse.party/
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# bkil For discovery, you can follow tags on Diaspora, Friendica and Hubzilla (perhaps on a few other servers as well). Friendica also has a user directory where you can search for user profiles https://dir.friendica.social/search?q=php
# bkil You could also use an old-school manually curated & endorsed link directory listing user profiles https://communitywiki.org/trunk
# Loqi A social reader is a modern interactive reader that allows you to directly respond to posts (with a like, comment, etc) right there inline with posts as you read them (as people do in social media), in contrast to legacy feed readers which were one-way read-only experiences and provided no mechanisms to interact with or respond to posts https://indieweb.org/social_reader
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[tantek] capjamesg, have you read https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet ?
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> Yes 🙂
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# bkil capjamesg: Re discovery: https://indieweb.org/blogroll e.g. https://www.jvt.me/blogroll/
# bkil [tantek]: It happened in the past but I was too afraid to ask up to now. I did not find an answer to my question in your reference. Could you mention a few words of why any given link answers my query and/or potentially provide deep link or scroll-to-text anchors to what you mean?
# bkil Following the tag "caturday" over Hubzilla, Diaspora or Friendica on the instance I am registered on means that whenever anybody posts something with that tag (either locally or by one followed, follower or interacter or other cached content), it will appear in my feed.
# bkil This is not the same thing as just adding the categorical subfeed URL of /bob/tags/caturday.rss to your feed reader (if the given blog engine supports it that is).
# Loqi A tag page is a page that provides a way to browse and navigate posts on that site with a specific tag https://indieweb.org/tag_page
# Loqi tag aggregation is a feature of some search, indexing, and bookmarking sites that collect tagged posts from many different sites, including IndieWeb sites, and present them for exploration by topic, and sometimes related or highly correlated topics https://indieweb.org/tag_aggregation
# Loqi ok, I added "Software Examples: Hubzilla, Diaspora, and Friendica have tag aggregation pages that show all posts with a particular tag from anyone on that instance, or followed by anyone on that instance." to the "See Also" section of /tag_aggregation https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87316&oldid=78030
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "categorical subfeed" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "categorical subfeed is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# bkil Yes, those two seem more related.
# bkil These concepts are a bit differently factored on the fediverse than those two, though.
# bkil But yeah, tag_aggregation is a good answer to the problem of capjamesg
# bkil Also sort of implemented on the fediverse: https://indieweb.org/hashtag-cache https://indieweb.org/nickname-cache
# bkil By the way, is there a reason why the slug of a wiki page is delimited by underscores in some cases and by hyphens in others?
# bkil Also note that the definition of tag_aggregation is a bit vague. It should be noted whether it is basically a search engine with an automated indexer or if it is built up on user endorsement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_bookmarking_websites https://indieweb.org/indiewebring
# bkil I think some of these should be interlinked to the original question that is something like https://indieweb.org/who_to_follow https://indieweb.org/discovery https://indieweb.org/statistics
# bkil The basic problem is information overload - there are too many good answers all over the place (vs. a newbie only looking for a button or heading to show related posts) https://indieweb.org/planet It might prove useful to have a TLDR subwiki where FAQ is distilled on a single page. I find the existing page a mixed back of mostly politics campaigning - not about what a newbie really asks https://indieweb.org/FAQ
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[KevinMarks] I am primarily a tag fan, because I think that hierarchical categories are a leftover model from a physical shelving problem, and that actual mental categories are more like Rosch's prototype theory.
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# bkil [tantek]: I think it could improve its utility if we had multiple FAQ pages, each tailored to a very specific audience persona and use case.
# bkil [KevinMarks]: Not sure who brought up hierarchies or categories, but what do you think about hierarchical tags?