#indieweb 2023-06-12
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[tantek] I saw [timothy_chambe] repost this. Is there some actual text article citation for these figures about content loss on the Reddit silo? https://twitter.com/on8cb/status/1668017406747324419
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bkil I decided to skip Reddit back in the days due to its proprietary, unfederated and clearly monetization-oriented operation. Those who opted to play with it all knew the consequences that sooner or later they will impose arbitrary restrictions via the ToS/CoC. It always goes like this since the dawn of time if you rely on things you can't control.
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# Bart1 Hi!
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# bartekzech2 Ok I went on the discord, I see the chat's connected here. Just found this stuff (yes I went out to look at other stuff due to the reddit protest). I've thought about starting a personal blog before, honestly when i see social media protests I don't really see them succeeding unless they push people to use something else.
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# bartekzech2 Though on that note, I'm curious on how blogs and the federated stuff (mastadon? I don't really know what the fediverse things are/mean) would handle spam in the future that are going to be written by well, some scarily good AI. Sort of like a dead internet thing becoming true with AI.
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# bartekzech2 Actually, on that topic what's the difference with this and the fediverse? Fediverse seems ehhh, I mean it looks like the stuff from there is just current social media but 'decentralized'. Though I'm out of the loop for most of this stuff so I might have a totally flawed understanding of what any of this is.
# bartekzech2 (I hope this doesn't spam up the chats >.< looking at the chat on indieweb.org it made blank spaces that look off on it.
# capjamesg Welcome!
# [tantek] Welcome Bart! For the "what's the difference" question, you might find some answers here: https://indieweb.org/principles
# bartekzech2 Oh I also don't know what the fediverse is xD. I'm not like insanely knowledgeable of tech stuff, I just find the idea of blogging fun and I think this is connected with it.
# bartekzech2 When I say what's the difference I mean: I don't know what both are : p
# bartekzech2 but I'll read!
# bartekzech2 "📓 Document your stuff. You've made a place to speak your mind, use it to document your processes, ideas, designs and code. Help others benefit from your journey, including your future self!"
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# bartekzech2 "🎉 Above all, Have fun. When the web took off in the 90's people began designing personal sites with tools such as GeoCities. These spaces had Java applets, garish green background and seventeen animated GIFs. It may have been ugly and badly coded but it was fun. Keep the web weird and interesting."
# bartekzech2 These two are stuff I love, I see there's a focus on like computer science here, I'm mostly interested in like hosting blogs for personal hobby stuff and having fun freedom and control of how I use it/make it look.
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# bartekzech2 I myself don't really know much about computer science though. When I'm thinking of making a blog I'm mostly thinking of creating a blog for personal thoughts/rpg stuff/tabletop miniatures.
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# bartekzech2 Coding does seem fun to play around with though the most I've done is that Finnish course from I think Heilinski? I probably forgot most of it by now.
# bartekzech2 That's for java though.
# bartekzech2 Oh yeah like I was initially hesitant to say anything here since I'm worried I'd be out of place.
# bartekzech2 I imagine having it be broader would be important for growing this stuff?
# bartekzech2 well my impression is that the community is dev centric/computer science? Or am I wrong on that.
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/User:Loqi.me
# bartekzech2 Interesting! I imagine such a shift would certainly take time to do or require being able to take advantage of a situation like the reddit one really well. In that case I do think the website might need to be more clear on how this isn't meant to be dev-centric. Uhhh, I forgot how I found the website, I think I found it via blogs I was browsing?
# [tantek] yes it's been a slow gradual shift over time, and yes there's much more we can do to improve. we discuss improvements to the IndieWeb website itself, community, chat in the #indieweb-meta channel btw — this primary channel we try to focus on what do you (anyone) want to do / are doing with your personal website, and help support each other doing so
# Loqi 💬 Join the #indieweb discussion via the web, Slack, IRC, Discord, or Matrix clients now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss
# bartekzech2 Got it, thanks for the information btw. It's been pleasant talking here
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capjamesg > A village is a precious thing. Many people go online to find a sense of belonging and community, and in the right circumstances, they can find it while they may struggle to do so offline. This is one of the great things about the Internet. It’s so large that no matter how weird and unconventional you are, there’s always more poeple just like you.
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# bartekzech2 wdym by slug?
# Loqi A slug is a series of words in a permalink URL, usually at the end, that are from or representative of the name or text of a post, and thus part of an overall URL design https://indieweb.org/slug
# bartekzech2 Thanks! I need to ask the bot next time lol.
# bartekzech2 Nope, I'm thinking of starting one up.
# bartekzech2 For personal/hobby stuff.
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gRegor Nice. https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started is a good place to start and feel free to ask any questions
# bartekzech2 Thank you!
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# sugaraIchemist hey there! joined this server because im unsure of what to do with all disappearing/unarchived media nowadays :(
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# sugaraIchemist today, i was looking for skincare reviews but reddit was down and i've become painfully aware of the fact that all this helpful info will disappear some way. same thing with disney/hbo removing shows that are not accessible anywhere else. is there anything i can do to help aside from participating in indieweb circles? things feel a bit hopeless :(
# bartekzech2 sugaraIchemist[d]: That's what archive.org tries to do, archive much of the web.
# sugaraIchemist aren't they in a lawsuit for copyright violation and things like that rn? :(
# sugaraIchemist or was that just their library 🤔
# [tantek] I just read https://mikegrindle.com/posts/enshittification and it's a good summary of problems and ends with a good example of "here is what works for me with IndieWeb". MikeGrindle++
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# capjamesg sugaraIchemist[d] Welcome!
# capjamesg I think the best thing you can do is post thoughts to your own website!
# capjamesg (And advocate for others to do the same!h
# capjamesg *)
# capjamesg I wrote a blog post about airport pianos a few months ago and someone reached out to me about it. I now know it was helpful to at least one person, and there wasn’t much literature on the topic on the web.
# capjamesg The more people that share on their own platforms — and there are countless people with personal websites out there — the less dependent we all become on any one platform.
# capjamesg I am https://jamesg.blog on the web!
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[KevinMarks] Erin continues to write the most indieweb principles adjacent thoughts in clear prose that I have seen. https://erinkissane.com/
# [KevinMarks] I feel like this goes with it too https://www.tor.com/2023/06/12/pratchett-and-philosophy-the-tao-of-sir-terry/
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