#indieweb 2023-08-28

2023-08-28 UTC
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[tantek] this seems like a pretty big deal: https://oisaur.com/@renchap/110946188204729065 — also does this mean the "search debate" is over in Mastodon-world and pro-search has won?
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Loqi [preview] [Renaud Chaput] Full text search has been merged in #Mastodon `main` branch, and will be in the next (and final?) 4.2.0 beta 🎉It is opt-in, so it will take some time to be filled with people content as they enable their profile to be indexed, but this was one of ...
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[tantek] that's not what I recall the last time someone implemented opt-in search and got so much hate they shut it down within days with a massive over-apology
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[tantek] I think the window has shifted
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[snarfed] that one may have been less than strictly opt in, or some other nuance
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[snarfed] the main opt in search engine I know of is still happily running, https://tootfinder.ch/
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[tantek] or rather, with more growth of masto-users, most of which has come from more "usual" users of Twitter who are used to ever-present search, there has been a political shift towards search
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[snarfed] (and notably is global, not instance-local)
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[snarfed] and maybe a window has shifted, but the functionality is still barely anything. both instance-local and opt in only are massive drawbacks to coverage
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[tantek] "instance-local" is a bit misleading if it means the same "local" as displaying "local" hashtag results (which my posts show up in, despite not being local to any masto server)
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aaronpk i wonder how i can enable my "instance" to be indexed...
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aaronpk i suppose that's a question for #indieweb-dev
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[tantek] or how Bridgy Fed can opt-in to search
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[snarfed] yeah fair. instance-known? dunno a good term. still a tiny fraction of global
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[tantek] instance-seen? instance-visible?
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[snarfed] yes! opt in somewhere and then compare your AS2 actor object to someone who hasn't opted in
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[tantek] instance-seen on larger instances (e.g. mastodon . social) is likely a significant fraction of global
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[snarfed] [tantek] out of curiosity, do you know that mastodon's search is instance-known and not just instance-local?
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[snarfed] maybe
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[tantek] I don't, I was referring to mastodon hashtag results
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[snarfed] ok
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[tantek] it's a key reason I chose to link to indieweb.social hashtag results as the hashtaglinks to the hashtags on my posts
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[tantek] I think I blogged this
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[tantek] yes: https://tantek.com/2023/100/t1/auto-linked-hashtags-federated
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Loqi [snarfed], [tantek]: we try to keep dev talk (AS2, federated) out of this channel, can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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[tantek] Loqi, please stop looking at words in URLs for jargon detection 😛
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] About three weeks ago I got auto-linked hashtags working on my posts. The biggest challenge was picking a tag space to link my hashtags. The second biggest challenge was figuring out how to get my linked hashtags to work when my posts were federat...
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[tantek] where to link to is very much a user-choice problem, not a dev-specific problem
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rubenwardy I have no idea what "auto linked hashtags" means
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[tantek] when you type a hashtag like #100daysofindieweb into a post, is it auto(matically) linked or not by your publishing system on your post permalink?
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[tantek] or is it displayed merely as plain text?
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rubenwardy ah right, my blog doesn't have hash tags and I use mastodon directly. From reading the bridgy fed issue, looks like this is a thing about translating domain hashtags into mastodon hashtags
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[tantek] note that here in IndieWeb chat, such hashtags are "only" displayed as plain text by the "publishing sytem" (chat archives) https://chat.indieweb.org/2023-08-28/1693255679727400
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Loqi [preview] [[tantek]] when you type a hashtag like #100daysofindieweb into a post, is it auto(matically) linked or not by your publishing system on your post permalink?
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[tantek] rubenwardy, yes, linked hashtags on blogs are still an interesting area of exploration in the IndieWeb from a UX perspective. There's no "right" answer per se, and a bunch of us are experimenting with possibilities
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[tantek] Separately, it may be worth documenting various indieweb / Mastodon usage patterns. E.g. anywhere from "my blog directly peers with fedi-instances" (aaronpk, users of Bridgy Fed) to "I cross-post from my blog to a Mastodon account" (POSSE), to "I keep separate worlds on my blog vs a Mastodon" account.
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[snarfed] yes! most of those options and thinking were around for POSSE to silos, arguably the only new option in the fediverse and other federated networks is "directly peer"
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[tantek] will take it to #indieweb-dev before Loqi yells at us again
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[jacky] aaronpk: it's this field in one's profile, `toot:isSearchable` or something like that
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[jacky] It's not fully documented from a post I've seen
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[jacky] But could dig into the source to see