#indieweb 2023-09-10

2023-09-10 UTC
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c​apjamesg https://rubenerd.com/macroblogging/
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[tantek] looks like Twitter Search is behind a loginwall now
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[tantek] anyone know when that started? (presumably sometime in 2023)
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[tantek] capjamesg, remember when you reported you were only seeing old posts on my Twitter profile (when logged out) ? I think I figured it out!
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[tantek] it looks like the logged-out-view of Twitter profiles sorts posts by some form of "most interacted with / interesting" algorithm
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[tantek] Oddly enough, if you are logged in, there's no way to access this "most interesting posts of a profile" view.
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fmlatghor [tantek]: I think Elon Musk said the login wall was temporary to prevent spam. I don't know whether that's true or not.
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[tantek] wow what happened to http://pleroma.site? anyone know?
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[davidmead] Though I quit Twitter ages ago, I’ve now given up on even clicking on shared links to it. Everything for the past few weeks has been behind the login wall for me
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[tantek] wow
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[tantek] ^ capjamesg, do we need another .link silo unfurling service? 😂
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[tantek] URL design << Why short clean URLs, or rather, disadvantage of long URLs (like Google Docs URLs in contrast to e.g. Etherpad URLs: they take up too much space (limits how many you can use and text too) in Slack channel topics & descriptions which are limited to 250 characters per: https://slack.com/help/articles/201654083-Set-a-conversation-topic-or-channel-description
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Loqi ok, I added "Why short clean URLs, or rather, disadvantage of long URLs (like Google Docs URLs in contrast to e.g. Etherpad URLs: they take up too much space (limits how many you can use and text too) in Slack channel topics & descriptions which are limited to 250 characters per: https://slack.com/help/articles/201654083-Set-a-conversation-topic-or-channel-description" to the "See Also" section of /URL_design https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89215&oldid=81818
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[tantek] GoogleDocs-- for having crappy long URLs in contrast to say Etherpad
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Loqi GoogleDocs has -1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] Web longevity question that's quite topical IMO. The person who bought http://molly.com from Molly Holzschlag is apparently a fan https://www.molly.com/threads/a-loving-tribute-to-molly-holzschlag-the-woman-behind-the-wisdom.2493/ which makes me wonder if they would be open to hosting static versions of all her blog posts at their original permalinks, thus repairing all links to them.
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[tantek] I am thinking of publicly making a request like that, and I wonder what others here think of such a request or if they have opinions about how best to word such a request kindly & respectfully?
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[tantek] Also is that a generally good approach to /longevity where domains may get bought/sold/transferred — include a clause to continue hosting static content at prior permalinks even if the homepage etc. is repurposed? Is that a reasonable request for most uses of domain purchases?
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[tantek] Borderline #indieweb-dev but I think this is very much a human-centric question worth discussion at that level first
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[tantek] e.g. with a multi-reply to that post and https://twitter.com/vietyork/status/1699934620526297254
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[tantek] I'm also trying to track the ownership trail of Molly .com, as I know it was first sold from Molly the individual to Molly the startup in ~2018: https://venturebeat.com/ai/hashtag-creator-launches-molly-to-build-a-personal-bot-from-your-social-media-footprint/
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[tantek] (I messaged Chris directly as well)
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[tantek] A-ha: https://jamesnames.com/2022/09/molly-com-how-an-owner-leveraged-lease-to-own/
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[tantek] Lease-to-own agreement that extends longer than the average life of a startup makes a lot of sense.
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[tantek] And https://medium.com/design-and-tech-co/how-my-startup-acquired-molly-com-without-it-costing-a-fortune-67a9c48be389
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c​apjamesg Interesting.
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[snarfed] [tantek] were you looking for https://pleroma.social/ ? I'm not sure they ever used http://pleroma.site
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[tantek] [snarfed] according to https://indieweb.org/IndiePass_for_Android#Anonymous and https://indieweb.org/ActivityPub#Criticism which both link to the .site
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Loqi conneg has -2 karma in this channel over the last year (-32 in all channels)
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Loqi hey [tantek]: can you move the tech talk (ActivityPub, ATOM, conneg) to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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[tantek] heh Internet Archive got the Atom equivalent when the URL for the ActivityPub criticism was first archive: view-source:https://web.archive.org/web/20180808203741if_/https://pleroma.site/notice/2962026 failed conneg--
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[tantek] oops yeah
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[snarfed] ah ok!
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