#indieweb 2023-10-01

2023-10-01 UTC
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capjamesg I haven't heard the phrase "needy tech" but I like it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37729095
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Loqi [preview] [jacquesm] Everybody is. I'm strongly of the opinion that all this 'needy tech' is a net negative and I try hard to keep it out of my life. But some of it, mostly associated with my kids schooling, is very hard to avoid. 10 emails per week about some school por...
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[tantek] what is alarm fatigue
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Loqi 🔔 notifications in the context of the IndieWeb refer to all forms and ways that an independent web site can receive a message indicating something of interest (server notifications), and display those messages (preferably in realtime) either in a list on a page, or pushed to one or more devices used by the owner of that site (client notifications) https://indieweb.org/alarm_fatigue
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[tantek] ok that's probably worth its own page
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[tantek] notification fatigue << "needy tech" usage: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37729095
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Loqi ok, I added ""needy tech" usage: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37729095" to a brand new "See Also" section of /notification_fatigue https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89503&oldid=89502
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Hosting: IndieWeb Carnival October 2023 - Self Care and Routine" https://lifeofpablo.com/blog/indieweb-carnival-october-2023
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[tantek] anyone else up for some Sunday afternoon wikifying?
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[tantek] capjamesg++ that HN thread + original article + study it links to were good finds.
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Loqi capjamesg has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (122 in all channels)
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[tantek] capjamesg, I recommend reading that original NBC article (that that HN post was about), perhaps you already have. It's brutal.
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capjamesg To #chat.
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[tantek] fair. do you receive push notifications from your personal site? e.g. when someone comments on a post?
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capjamesg No.
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capjamesg And if Monocle supported it I would probably turn off said feature :)
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capjamesg From the aforementioned NBC piece: "half of 11- to 17-year-olds get at least 237 notifications on their phones every day"
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capjamesg That's a scary number.
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[tantek] yeah see the quoted numbers in https://indieweb.org/notification_fatigue#Articles
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[catgirlinspace] reminds me i need to figure out notifications to disable and such
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[catgirlinspace] tbh feel like i dont get many outside of youtube notifications cause theres some channels i like watching. probably can disable notifications for some of them though.
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[catgirlinspace] under what criteria is this considered important??
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[catgirlinspace] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2023/10/indieweb-20231001-215228-image.png
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capjamesg [catgirlinspace] I allow email, calls, and texts.
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capjamesg Discord DMs are allowed, too, and Slack notifications in two channels.
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capjamesg (I don't get a high volume of any of the above categories (non-work), so having them on isn't a problem.)
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capjamesg I allow Instagram DMs too.
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[catgirlinspace] oh yeah i forgot discord dms. i allow those cause like, friends :3 and slack but this is the only slack im in...
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[catgirlinspace] only social media i use is fedi. and for some reason the firefish pwa doesnt send me notifications so i dont get any there lol
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capjamesg [catgirlinspace] The IndieWeb chat has a Discord if you'd prefer to join that!
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capjamesg https://indieweb.org/discuss
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[catgirlinspace] ive seen it, but the way the bridge works seems kinda weird with everything coming from IWDiscord and then having the username in angle brackets.
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[catgirlinspace] i should probably learn how to use a real irc client or something.
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Loqi totally
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capjamesg Yeah it is a bit strange.
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capjamesg I'm messaging from IRC right now.
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capjamesg I like https://chat.sr.ht.
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capjamesg You need to have a paid sr.ht account ($20 / year) though.
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capjamesg I have tried multiple clients and can't recommend chat.sr.ht enough.
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capjamesg They don't have mobile support.
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fLaMEd I don't know if I could stomach IRC on mobile :D
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[catgirlinspace] mhm, might look into it a bit. slack seems to work fine enough for now though...
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gRegor what is IRC
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Loqi 💬 Internet Relay Chat (abbreviated IRC), in particular the #indieweb channels on the libera.chat network, is the primary community discussion forum for IndieWebCamp and anything about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/IRC
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gRegor I use Hexchat from https://indieweb.org/IRC#Clients
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[tw2113] oh yes, IRC exists
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[tw2113] i auto-join php and wordpress based channels there
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[tw2113] when i remember IRC exists
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[tw2113] and tilde.chat
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fLaMEd Using Konversation myself, https://konversation.kde.org/
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[tantek] chat about IRC & /discuss -> #indieweb-meta please 🙂
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[tantek] capjamesg, how do you allow Discord DMs but not other notifications? Same q with IG DMs
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[tantek] chat about how to use our IndieWeb community IRC & /discuss in particular that is for #indieweb-meta
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[tantek] reducing (becoming more independent from) silo notifications is still on topic here
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capjamesg [tantek] I mute all Discord servers and keep notifications on at the OS level.
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capjamesg I can't remember my exact Instagram setup, but I think I toggled everything off in the Instagram in-app notifications settings other than DMs.
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capjamesg There is another notification that slips through though and I can't figure out how to turn it off.
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capjamesg It's like a "xyz people follow you that you don't follow" type thing IIRC.
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capjamesg (Where "it's" referrs to the one notification I get that isn't a DM.)
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s​isoma I see there's a wiki page for a personal libary: https://indieweb.org/personal_library
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IWDiscord <s​isoma#0>
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s​isoma Am thinking about setting up a website, maybe just on my personal website, or maybe I'll make it into its own thing, where books can be rented. Doesn't need any fancy stuff, just contacting the owner.
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s​isoma But is there any example of a website listing books people can rent?
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IWDiscord <s​isoma#0>
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s​isoma Books are meant to be read after all, not just sit on the shelf 😛
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[tantek] capjamesg, wow I had no idea how many IG notification options there were or I had on apparently, turning off so many
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[tantek] ah they conflate messages from individual vs group chats, that sucks.
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s​isoma Upon further wiki searching, I found this page on listings:
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s​isoma https://indieweb.org/listing
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[tantek] sisoma, a while ago I started a "library of infinite loan", which I did discuss briefly in a session at IWC Austin 2020: https://indieweb.org/2020/Austin/reading
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s​isoma Ooh interesting, will take a look!
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