#indieweb 2023-10-17

2023-10-17 UTC
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[jamietanna] TIL re privacy on BlueSky https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@badlogic/111246798083590676 - snarfed does that track with what you've seen of it?
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piusbird are there any docs on common pitfalls when building a site for mobile, just built a site mostly by hand for the first time in several years and its got issues in mobile view i'm not sure what i'
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piusbird m doing wrong
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[tantek] piusbird usually the approach is to build for "mobile first", and then only add rules to "special case" desktop/laptop/wide-screens as needed
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[tantek] more specific advice than that may be more appropriate for the #indieweb-dev chat channel
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piusbird i didn't do that as because of my disabilites i hardly ever use mobile to browse the internet at all
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piusbird my phone is a phone except when it's an IPod
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[snarfed] [jamietanna] sigh. yes, bluesky data is public. the team has been loud about that forever, consistently, both inside and outside bluesky itself. bluesky users regularly tell new people whenever it comes up. pretty much the only people now who seem surprised about it are people like this who *don't* use it, and maybe come in looking for a negative angle
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[snarfed] I mean, there have been multiple tools for a while now that show any profile or post publicly. [capjamesg] built one himself 😁
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[tantek] as such, is there a Bluesky search engine?
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[tantek] if all the posts are public, then ...
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[snarfed] internal yes, not aware of an external one
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[snarfed] if anything, I expect more fediverse users wrongly assume their instances blocks crawlers and search engines than bluesky users wrongly assume their data is private
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[tantek] that seems anecdotally correct
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[snarfed] https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/5-19-2023-user-faq
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[snarfed] [tantek] looks like the bluesky search endpoint isn't authed: https://search.bsky.social/search/posts?q=tantek
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[tantek] lol
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[snarfed] add cors anywhere and render that JSON and you can have a public search engine in minutes
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Loqi hey [snarfed], I don't mean to be a bother, but endpoint, JSON, render seems like a better conversation for #indieweb-dev
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[snarfed] true
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[tantek] lol
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[tantek] what are community guidelines
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "community guidelines" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "community guidelines is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] fascinating indieweb (personal website) instance of this: https://kottke.org/threads/guidelines — looks like the kind of thing [benatwork] would be interested in too
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[tantek] does anyone here have anything like that on their personal site?
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[tantek] i.e. such guidelines could express preferences for what kinds of replies to posts (and downthread) you'd prefer to see / not see (and thus may filter/moderate/mute/block accordingly) whether via Webmention or in replies to POSSE copies
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[tantek] comments << Consider new section or page: Community Guidelines on commenting, replying to posts on a site (which would impact which comments are display on posts). E.g. real world personal site example of such Community Guidelines: https://kottke.org/threads/guidelines
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Loqi ok, I added "Consider new section or page: Community Guidelines on commenting, replying to posts on a site (which would impact which comments are display on posts). E.g. real world personal site example of such Community Guidelines: https://kottke.org/threads/guidelines" to the "See Also" section of /comments https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89865&oldid=84843
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[KevinMarks] https://unmung2.appspot.com/jsontoxoxo?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.bsky.social%2Fsearch%2Fposts%3Fq%3Dtantek
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[KevinMarks] There is the bsky firehose that does live searching
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[KevinMarks] For example https://firesky.tv/?filter=flower
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[tantek] https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/10/17/1081194/how-to-fix-the-internet-online-discourse/
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[tantek] ^ in which Anil Dash is quoted as basically giving an IndieWeb pitch without naming it: "Anil Dash has been repeating the same thing over and over for years now: that people should buy their own domains, start their own blogs, own their own stuff."
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] that firesky service seems to fail (no results) for my given name whereas the direct bsky API link or the XOXO transform thereof works just fine.
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[KevinMarks] Firesky doesn't buffer everything, it's designed as a now firehose
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[KevinMarks] James had one that buffered everything for a bit, but the storage demands were too high iirc
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] doesn't seem useful since it's a subset of the Bsky search endpoint
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Loqi hey [tantek]: would you mind moving this conversation (API, endpoint) to #indieweb-dev? thanks!
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[tantek] lol yes
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c​apjamesg The data made my server run to 100% use and I deleted it.
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c​apjamesg I only had it running for a week or two.
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] how would I go from one of those XOXO results of Bluesky posts to clicking on a specific post to view that thread?
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[KevinMarks] You'd need to construct the url from the username and the post id (that's what I did by hand)
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emery browsers can do XSL client side, is the same true for Atom feeds or do I need to always preprocess them?
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emery ah, nginx can do the xsl serverside
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Loqi hey emery: that's a lot of dev jargon! ATOM, XSL, nginx... can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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emery Loqi: am I making you uncomfortable?
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[schmarty] who is loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/User:Loqi.me
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[schmarty] ^^ Loqi is helping keep the main #indieweb channel welcoming to folks who may not be dev-focused.
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emery so you are assume that some folks can join IRC­ but "may not be dev-focused" and are going to get scared away by initialisms like API?
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aaronpk what is discuss?
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Loqi 💬 Join the #indieweb discussion via the web, Slack, IRC, Discord, or Matrix clients now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/Discuss
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aaronpk a lot of people join from Slack or Discord too
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emery and you want to protect them from having to learn new things?
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aaronpk more information is available on the wiki page linked above if you would like to learn more about this community
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c​apjamesg We encourage participation from anyone who is interested in personal websites. Some people don't have a technical background. We want to keep this channel as friendly as possible to all folks, and move into #indieweb-dev when we get more technical so developers can jump in on questions.
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emery what would be in this channel that wouldn't be in -dev?
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aaronpk emery: some examples here https://indieweb.org/discuss#indieweb
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emery the scrollback looks pretty "dev" to me
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emery ok whatever, I will leave
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