#indieweb 2023-11-17

2023-11-17 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Alternative blogging platforms." https://sightlessscribbles.micro.blog/2023/11/17/alternative-blogging-platforms.html
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s​tarrwulfe Not sure if this is the right place to bring this up, but commentpara.de doesn't seem to work anymore (for me at least... \*is\* it just me?)
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s​tarrwulfe Are there any alternatives/a guide to self hosting something similar? I like being able to keep comments "closed" locally and force people to use webmention/micro.blog/activitypub/🆕 Bluesky but also wanted to keep commentpara.de in the mix to give anons/folks not registered to the indie websites a way to comment if they feel the need.
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[jacky] what is isso
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Loqi Isso is a self-hosted commenting server similar to Disqus https://indieweb.org/isso
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[jacky] squints at Loqi
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[jacky] lol
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[jacky] starrwulfe: that might help you out
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s​tarrwulfe only problem is I'm not sure how well that's going to play with the webmention/activitypub stuff I've got going on already-- that all use the native comments/database table in Wordpress
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s​tarrwulfe Here's a good example of all the things hooked into my current setup...
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s​tarrwulfe https://starrwulfe.xyz/2023/11/14/13/14/mastodon-in-180-seconds/
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s​tarrwulfe Comments funneled in from activitypub, bluesky, micro.blog, and even instagram 🤫 along with facepile of other interactions.
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IWDiscord <s​tarrwulfe#0>
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Loqi hey IWDiscord: it looks like this conversation is getting pretty technical (ActivityPub, database), can you take it to #indieweb-dev?
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Loqi [preview] [starrwulfe] Mastodon OpenSNS (easily explained) in 180 Seconds 🐘This is possibly the clearest explainer I’ve ever seen yet about #activitypub/#mastodon.Also a great intro to how #fediverse works since the video is also on it’s own instance.Gonna spread th... https://i0.wp.com/starrwulfe.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/masto-180-sec.jpg?fit=%2C&ssl=1
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s​tarrwulfe *starrwulfe also squints at Loqi in mild annoyance*
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[jacky] ahhhhh you're on wordpress too
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[jacky] tbh the ecosystem might have such an option for anon comments, if you're into that
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[jacky] but yeah commentparade was one of a kind 🙂
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s​tarrwulfe Yeah, it might be best to give up the dream or at the very least make the native comment form a "pop up" so it doesn't clutter the page with a form
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Zegnat I guess anyone could host their own copy of commentpara.de if it has problems, it is opensource
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Zegnat Not sure if anyone has looked into that though
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[jacky] what is http://commentpara.de
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Zegnat Apparently that does not work from Slack as it gets linkified
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[jacky] ahh
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[jacky] what is commentparade
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Loqi commentpara.de is an anonymous commenting system for the indieweb https://indieweb.org/commentparade
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Zegnat commentpara.de << [https://github.com/cweiske/anoweco commentpara.de is open-sourced as anoweco on GitHub]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://github.com/cweiske/anoweco commentpara.de is open-sourced as anoweco on GitHub]" to the "See Also" section of /commentpara.de https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=90624&oldid=88966
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Zegnat You could also try filing an issue there, starrwulfe 👆
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[tantek] this relates to the need to update the /services page
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[jacky] who's opposed to that being hosted in a similar fashion to the microformats parsers?
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Zegnat We should only host it ourselves if we can soft-assign a maintainer. Preferably as a /use_what_you_make, but if that is not available at least someone who knows the programming language and would be OK with handling issues/PRs
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[jacky] that makes sense
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[jacky] I'd offer but that's prob only because I'm not doing much outside of job hunting lol
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Loqi yea!
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[jacky] lol loqi
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[tantek] commentparade is different from the microformats parsers because it is a potential source of spam, so whoever is hosting it really needs to be able to respond quickly to shutdown a login / site etc
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[tantek] also this highlights another community hosted services "requirement" — we really should have backup folks who can step in to take over a domain if the original person running / hosting it wants to step away for any reason
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[tantek] especially something that leaves permalinks on other people's sites
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s​tarrwulfe Yeah, I always wondered how this was never a spam vector. Always just assumed no spammer would really understand what it did without diving into the rabbit hole, and would then find out it wouldn't be worth it in the end anyway.
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s​tarrwulfe protection by complexity and exclusivity is a thing
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[tantek] AKA security by obscurity
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[aciccarello] ^ THIS
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[aciccarello] I probably should just drop commentparade from my site and just push people to mentions and email.
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[aciccarello] I don't thing anyone has ever used it on my site
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[snarfed] cweiske was/is a great community member, we should definitely reach out
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[snarfed] maybe related, they built and run https://chat.indieweb.org/ too, which it stopped indexing back in May or so
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sknebel yeah, we discussed that a while back in -meta and sort-of decided that we should run our own replacement
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[tantek] [snarfed] presumably you mean the search on chat.indieweb
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[tantek] chat.indieweb itself is I believe hosted by aaronpk, and built from https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org
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[tantek] see also link in the lower right corner of http://chat.indieweb.org, added at the most recent IWC 🙂
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s​tarrwulfe I guess I'm the only vagabond connecting via discord. I need to make an IRC matrix bridge for myself... gaahhhh
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sknebel Yeah, meant the search, sorry
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sknebel startwulfe No a bunch of people use the bridge, it's fine
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[snarfed] sorry yes, meant search
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[jamietanna] https://changelog.social/@changelog/111427414894127956 🙌
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Loqi [preview] [Changelog] 🤘 New episode of Changelog & Friends!@jerod goes one-on-one with our old friend @searls! We talk build vs buy decisions, dependency selection & how Justin has implemented POSSE (Post On Site Syndicate Elsewhere) in response to the stratification o...
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[aciccarello] Wow, he's added a lot more to his site recently.
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[aciccarello] I remember following him on twitter.
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