#indieweb 2024-01-04

2024-01-04 UTC
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c​apjamesg [Jo] Today in email spam: "I can help your website to get on the first page of Google and increase the number of leads and sales you are getting from your website."
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c​apjamesg With the compelling selection criteria of "I found your website I would like to discuss SEO,"
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to2ds If "they" found your website, the SEO must be doing a good job already, thus negating the need for "their" services in the first place?
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[Jo] 😂 fair enough
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c​apjamesg I mean, I do rank #2 for `james hoffmann chemex recipe` with my own Chemex recipe.
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c​apjamesg I also rank #6 for `palm trees in scotland`.
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c​apjamesg Oh SEO 😄
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c​apjamesg And #5 for `scrabble blog`.
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ker0r0a im seeing you as #5 for palm trees in scotland
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ker0r0a very nice
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c​apjamesg I think that should go on my resumé 😄
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ker0r0a what happened to #chat? it's displayed on the wiki but i can't see it here ?
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c​apjamesg Are you connecting via IRC?
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c​apjamesg If so, try `/join #indieweb-chat`.
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ker0r0a nope, connecting via web
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ker0r0a i could try irc later but its not important for me
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ker0r0a just curious
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barnaby #chat isn’t logged, I don’t think it’s ever shown up on the web interface
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barnaby (#indieweb-chat, that is)
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c​apjamesg In any case, welcome, ker0r0a!
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c​apjamesg Do you have a personal website?
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[snarfed] rereading https://subconscious.substack.com/p/credible-exit and thinking about it in terms of data export/migration between web hosts
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[snarfed] notably this section: https://subconscious.substack.com/i/47964874/dimensions-of-credible-exit
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[tantek] the irony of that being on Substack is not lost on me
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[tantek] also wow lots of good concepts in that article and yet the examples have serious flaws. e.g. GitHub does not provide portability of everything "outside" or "about" your code repo (issues etc.). iTunes turned to crap interop with Apple's own subsequent "Music" MacOS app
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[tantek] also "credible exit" is not a good name, "credible" is insufficient to evoke any of the supposed semantics. a good example of jargon use of an otherwise "common" English word
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[tantek] "viable exit" or "viable export" or if you want to get technical, "idempotent export"
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[tantek] lol I know Gordon, we used to work together. ok I need to ping him about this and possibly updating it (looks like article is from 2022)
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c​apjamesg https://projects.kwon.nyc/internet-is-fun/
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[Jo] Ooh bookmark
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[tantek] [sarajaksa]++ the movie watch aggregator is very cool! https://sarajaksa.eu/projects/indieweb-movies/
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Loqi [sarajaksa] has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (5 in all channels)
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[tantek] you have my permission to parse my notes for watch posts like the recent https://tantek.com/2023/365/t3/watched-leonard-da-vinci-universal-man
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] ▶️ watched “Leonardo Da Vinci: The Universal Man” (https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B08HJP5LKN/) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11143562/
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c​apjamesg [sarajaksa] I have https://wiki.jamesg.blog/Movies but it doesn't have microformats.
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Loqi [tantek], IWDiscord: can you move the tech talk (parse, Microformats) to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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[tantek] yes we need a more user friendly term than "parse" for consenting to your content being crawled & indexed
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[aciccarello] That is cool
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jacky combed?
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jacky ha, I'm thinking of like hair salons and one would go there to have their hair/blog combed through
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[aciccarello] I'd love to see something similar with reviews and recipes
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[aciccarello] Maybe with customizable follow lists
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[tantek] maybe searched and indexed
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[tantek] what has Mastodon etc used in their UI for opting-in to your posts being searched?
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[Joe_Crawford] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2024/01/indieweb-20240104-222749-img_1298.jpg
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jacky yeah, makes sense to use existing terminology (less mental mapping)
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[tantek] exactly
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[tantek] what is search
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Loqi 🔍 search in the IndieWeb usually refers to searching your personal site for your own content (and/or caches of content you’ve responded to), sometimes searching IndieWeb chat archives or the IndieWeb wiki, or the nascent IndieWeb Search index and service to search across community posts https://indieweb.org/search
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jacky even thinking about that, it'd be good to highlight the difference between searching and indexing (one is ephermal whereas the other keeps a record of a resource in time)
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford] can you upload that screenshot and add it to a "Software" / "Mastodon" subsection on /search ?
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[KevinMarks] Scalzi just did a 31 days of December movie recommendations https://whatever.scalzi.com/category/december-comfort-watches/
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[Joe_Crawford] [tantek] Added the file and slotted it into search tho not sure I got precisely your intent. I leave it in your editorial hands. https://indieweb.org/search
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford]++ looks great. I added a Mastodon subhead to make it more obvious in the TOC, other than that, super helpful
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Loqi [Joe_Crawford] has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (13 in all channels)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Webmentions are just a way to say I linked to you - You don't have to use them as comments" https://sarajaksa.eu/2024/01/webmentions-are-just-a-way-to-say-i-linked-to-you-you-dont-have-to-use-them-as-comments/
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[tantek] why the disclaimer?
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aaronpk probably in response to that other post a day or so ago complaining about not liking webmentions because of all the comments that come from twitter
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[tantek] that's like complaining about activitypub because of all the replies from a particular instance (and pretending like blocking/defeding instances is not a thing)
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[tantek] I don't understand the defensiveness
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[tantek] this title I really don't understand "Instead of comments, reply to me."
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[tantek] what's the difference?
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aaronpk this one i think https://robertkingett.com/posts/6408/
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[tantek] yes that one. I'm complaining the article name makes no sense
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aaronpk "I also never liked webmentions because, I guess I don’t really understand the point of showing replies to your posts from social media onto your own website"
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aaronpk reply privately?
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aaronpk hm weird no they're specifically saying to write a blog post and send the link
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aaronpk so i am also confused then
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[tantek] yeah it sounds like the kind of thing that would cleared up within 5min on a HWC
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[tantek] rather than being worth a multipage blog post