#indieweb 2024-01-25

2024-01-25 UTC
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[Al_Abut] FB’s been a godsend for staying in touch with my extended family, they’re a diaspora spread across several countries.
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[Al_Abut] I think of it like those crappy old calling cards we used to use to make international calls - tech that’s a little too sketchy for daily use but helpful in narrow cases.
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btrem :-D at the "too sketchy" comment.
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[tantek] this is just something re: moderation; https://oliphant.social/@oliphant/111715826918448243
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[tantek] On the more positive side of moderation: https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/01-16-2024-moderation-2023 (cc: [snarfed] for implications for BridgyFed)
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cambridgeport90 Morning...I guess. Goodness. It's been a while since I've been here...u til now,that is.
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cambridgeport90 Needless to say,I'll be back here nowadays watching messages since I have a local way of doing so.
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[tantek] welcome back cambridgeport90++
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Loqi cambridgeport90 has 1 karma over the last year
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cambridgeport90 I'm talking up here via thunderbird,actually. Kinda simplistic, but it works for our simplistic community; after all,clients like The Lounge, and stuff like that, they support a ton of features that libera.chat doesn't support, I think, like sending files and what not, right?
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cambridgeport90 As well as the fact it's 02/50 in the morning for me on a work night...LOL
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capjamesg[d] Welcome back!
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m1k3 cambridgeport90: I'm pretty happy with Pidgin myself. I use it mainly for IRC and XMPP.
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[tantek] what are generations
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Loqi Generations was a 2014-era summary of a spectrum of potential IndieWeb adopters (beyond the oversimplified developer/user dichotomy) in a series of clusters that were expected to progressively adopt the IndieWeb for themselves and help onboard others; subsequently the community grew, both across generations & in other ways, and is working on replacing it with something more inclusive and up to date https://indieweb.org/generations
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[tantek] still working on it, 10 years later
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[tantek] since we don't have a replacement yes, there is still some utility in using the existing framework
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[tantek] on the Generation 2 co-hort of journalists in particular, I came across this article which felt VERY IndieWeb relevant, and discusses what problems are being solved / need new solutions, and how to use / bridge various services: https://source.opennews.org/articles/what-should-journalists-do-about-social-media/
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Loqi [preview] Aditi Mukund
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[tantek] ^ a couple of good Venn diagrams of three intersecting circles in there too
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[Al_Abut] I’m a tier 2 generation user just by self-hosting?!? I feel so fancy, like I should put on a dinner jacket on our next HWC zoom.
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capjamesg[d] 🤣
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[tantek] fancy fits always welcome at HWC
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capjamesg[d] Maybe next time I will dress up in a jacket too.
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[Al_Abut] (looks in his closet to see if has anything other than outdoor wear)
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[tantek] yes capjamesg[d], I think just like there is Bonus Galactic HWC, we need a Fancy Fits HWC
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[tantek] actually having fun(ny) rotating themes for HWCs could be a good source of humor & interest
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[tantek] and upholding principle 11 😄
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[aciccarello] https://mastodon.social/@lzg/111817861298784903
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[aciccarello] This reminds me, I've been meaning to contribute to breakfastand.coffee
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Loqi [preview] [lenazun :: evil maid] never understood the people who said “i don’t care what you had for breakfast” at the down of social media, because i love breakfast related posts. a tried and true posting genre, always appreciated. always post egg.
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[aciccarello] Oh maybe it's down? https://breakfastand.coffee/
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sknebel cc capjamesg[d]
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[tantek] What is breakfast
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "breakfast" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "breakfast is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] What is coffee?
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Loqi ☕️ coffee is frequently available at IndieWebCamps, and also one of the more common drink posts https://indieweb.org/coffee
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capjamesg[d] Oof.
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capjamesg[d] I may not have restarted that when my sites went down on Christmas.
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] I only have one suit, and it is a wedding suit 🤣
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capjamesg[d] I can wear a wedding suit to HWC.
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capjamesg[d] (To be clear, the wedding suit is a suit for attending a wedding, not the suit of a groom!)
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capjamesg[d] https://indieweb.social/@mconley@mozilla.social/111817973884334967
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to2ds Gen 1 here. Wondering how many of us are still around.
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btrem There was a discussion *years* ago, in another forum, in which someone said a check mark is not universally understood to mean "correct." IIRC, in at least one culture, it means the opposite, "incorrect." Any thoughts here? Adding further refinements to my Wordle posts. I want to add a mark of some sort next to the winning guess, in as accessible a way as possible.
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[tantek] to2ds most of the folks here I believe are still Gen 1, and mostly in #indieweb-dev
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[tantek] btrem, pick the mark that is most universal / global that you can and then localize for the cultures that have a different interepretations
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btrem Just looked up in Wikipedia: in Sweden and Finland, the check mark means incorrect.
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btrem Which is what I was thinking. I'm pretty sure it was Jukka Korpela (sp?) in a web authoring usenet group who said it.
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btrem (Sorry, didn't explain: Jukka Korpela is from Finland.)
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to2ds [tantek] - Definitely, and all top notch too!
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btrem I don't think I can localize by language. I mean, I suppose it's possible, but probably beyond my abilities with a shared host and no content management system on the host.
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btrem I'll go with check mark for the moment, with text for screen readers to explain the mark, but might change it if need be.
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[tantek] sounds like another use-case for abbr with aria-label
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btrem Nah, I'm using <span>. :-p
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[tantek] that works too
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[tantek] oops I should have said that in #indieweb-dev, apologies
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btrem ! Me too.
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btrem TIL that in chat (at least in my client, Thunderbird), you can't start a message with a solidus. I was trying to write '/sigh' to express my mild frustration, but apparently you can't put the slash in that position.
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[tantek] that's common in chat clients, in Slack as well, starting with a / puts you into a command mode
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btrem Yeah, took me a bit to realize that must be the case.
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