#indieweb 2024-01-26
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cambridgeport90 I just noticed the lack of slash command support inside of Thunderbird, as well. I might have to think about setting up The Lounge, then.
# cambridgeport90 It was on my radar, anyway, but who knows when the time frame will be right for me to self-host again.
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# [snarfed] not a /site-deaths just yet, but...
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[tantek] and that was enough to look up this: https://chat.indieweb.org/2023-11-09#t1699563414689200
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Loqi [preview] [[chrisaldrich]] Some interesting Tumblr news, particularly for those reliant on it. Perhaps a reason to begin switching to a more IndieWeb approach? https://mastodon.social/@docpop/111382477764238371
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[KevinMarks] Interesting design point https://laurenshof.online/horizontal-and-vertical-feeds/
# Loqi [preview] [Laurens Hof] Horizontal and vertical feedsFediverse client Phanpy is great, and one of the reasons I’ve given in a shoutout a few times already is that it combines the regular vertical feed with horizontal feeds, to make distinctions between types of content.Wh... https://laurenshof.online/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/JAH_20230830_2475_schiermonnikoog_35.jpg
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# [Al_Abut] oh the grouped notifications looks smart too, I’ll give it a try just for that. I like the early blogging vibes on Mastodon a lot but sometimes the same piece of news can make my ears ring from all the echo chamber action.
# cambridgeport90 Not quite indieweb related, but in light of that post...DayOne could use some love.
# Loqi Day One is a subscription-based journaling app for iOS, macOS, and Android that offers import and export of your data, albeit with very restricted format options, and a sync feature with an API and IFTTT integration, so that it can be used as PASTA strategy https://indieweb.org/DayOne
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# sugardave Hi! Not sure what happened, but I went to the roles channel and chose a color (there are no descriptions for what they mean, though) and now I don't have access to the chat channel.
# sugardave Oh, I guess I just don't have access to the chat channel history and I'm guessing that is normal. Carry on.
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[aciccarello] I feel like I really struggle deciding if I want to bookmark, like, or reply when I find a really interesting page.
# [aciccarello] I tend to go with bookmark but bookmarks feel less social in a way. And does that minimize any commentary I add about the link? Like a bookmark feels more passive.
# [aciccarello] I've also used a note when the link is less important.
# [aciccarello] This is probably mostly me working through my mental model more than anything else but I'd be curious how others think about it.
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# [aciccarello] Interesting, I would think of a reply as expressing something to the author
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# [aciccarello] I've been thinking of a bookmark as more reflective. Like "Here's why this link is important to me".
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# [KevinMarks] With mastodon, I tend to use bookmark as an indirection marker for the main link in the post, rather than the post itself, which I would use a like for. So I can filter for links suggested to me.
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capjamesg[d] I just cooked an egg!
# capjamesg[d] Now it's on the record, to #indieweb-chat I venture.
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jeremycherfas With Mastodon, I use bookmark purely as a read later temporary storage (though some have been in there a while).
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# [tantek] with the discussion of publics and context-collapse, it made me wonder what if commenters on posts had explicit options? e.g. many times I’ve wanted to leave a comment on a post only for the author and had no desire to engage in a longer/public discussion. or sometimes I would like to make a comment that is only visible to the author and friends. or maybe I'm ok with making a public comment on a post, but I don't want it "going elsewhere" e.g.
# [aciccarello] Not exactly the same, but I do have a link under each of my posts to email me directly about that post as a form of private communication. It prefills the email with a subject and puts the link in the body for example.
# [tantek] that's a great example aciccarello and yes, is a version of "leave a comment on a post only for the author", except that for both my (commenter) and the author's convenience, it would be great to have the comment "stick" with the post so when I re-read it (which inevitably happens with lots of posts) I see that I already commented 🙂
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# [KevinMarks] I have done an "edit this post" link to github before (which Tantek has used to correct typos) - that could be used to file an issue, which is another kind of indirect comment
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[lifeofpablo] Anyone interested in a Bluesky invite?
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# [Al_Abut] [aciccarello] oh interesting, I hadn’t noticed your email link, maybe because I’ve been keeping up with your stuff in a feed reader.
# [Al_Abut] I’ve done the reverse - I stole an idea from [campegg] and put a link to email at the end of each post in my RSS, but not on my public blog itself
# [aciccarello] That's a good idea. I have a hard time keeping my RSS feed up to date with changes to my website so it's usually much simpler.
# [Al_Abut] Sorry Loqi, I don’t think I have the right dinner jacket and tie for that channel.
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# [Al_Abut] Gotcha
# [Al_Abut] Also, I’ve been thinking about why the topic of “this belongs in another channel” keeps coming up here and realized maybe this channel could be named welcome or intro or some such? Just a suggestion.
# [Al_Abut] Maybe but also, I didn’t even realize what the channel was for until after looking at the wiki’s description a few times. So maybe in the spirit of “ideally you shouldn’t have to read a manual to understand something, especially something introductory” I’ve been noodling on naming that’s more self-explanatory than a broad umbrella term like indieweb
# [Al_Abut] So maybe also “indienewbies” or some such could work
# [Al_Abut] That name might be a fail if the vibe is to keep it friendly for everyone, not just newcomers but still feels directionally correct.
# [Al_Abut] Just noodling out loud
# [Al_Abut] The designer Dan Mall put the idea in my head about self-explanatory naming and how it frames conversations. Wrote a recent post about how people who never met him used to think he was a nice guy because his agency was called SuperFriendly, and now people who’ve never taken his course intro him as a teacher because his blog is titled DanMallTeaches. Fun thought experiment.
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# [tantek] OTOH it can also be a turnoff, e.g. first time I heard about the brand SuperDry it set my expectations that their clothing would have really good waterproofing which turns out not to be the case, so I developed a *distrust* of the brand for overreaching with their name and implying something that wasn't true
# [tantek] [Al_Abut] on the chat channel naming / purpose / audience aspects we're getting into #indieweb-meta territory a bit, so I'll ask (and link to #indieweb-meta for more) if you have heard of Gresham's law (applies to currency), which PG wrote a post about a trolls version, and I extended that to devs vs users: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2024-01-22#t1705883690759800
# Loqi [preview] [[tantek]] Per Gresham's law of trolls (https://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html) there seems to be an equivalent law of developers vs users
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# [Al_Abut] Interesting discussion. Ok, I’m moving over to #meta!
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# capjamesg[d] sugardave[d]: The chat channel text disappears over time. It allows members to be open without worrying about their text being in the Discord search feature. You should have access to other channels' history though!
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